Nicole, are you implying that someone can come sit a chair on my porch area
and smoke a cigarette? The bottom line is that people without pets should
not be forced to have dogs pissing and pooping outside their doors. I have
had many dogs in my life and if I had one now, I would not even have the
nerve to take my dog out in front of someone else's place to alleviate
itself.
Having laws about certain fixtures doesn't mean the person does not own
that space, FYI.
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 4:17 PM, Nicole Reedy - WWJWM <nicole.reedy@xxxxxxx>
wrote:
As a condominium you own NOTHING outside of your interior walls.
If you did.. I highly doubt people would still have the old lighting
fixtures, ugly paint combinations and rusted door knobs…
_________________________________________
*Nicole Reedy*
Executive Assistant to CFO, Tahira Fumo
*JAS Worldwide Management, Inc**.*
6195 Barfield Rd. |Atlanta, GA | 30328
O: +1 (404) 705-7600 <(404)%20705-7600> | C: +1 (404) 984-9292
<(404)%20984-9292>
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Skype: Nicole Reedy- JAS
www.jas.com
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From: <highland-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of Tiffany Harlow
Reply-To: "highland-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
Date: Friday, June 9, 2017 at 4:12 PM
To: "highland-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
Subject: [highland-discuss] Re: RATS!
And I would argue that the grass area is a part of the sidewalk or area
serving one or more units. If we interpret it any other way then people
could literally just come congregate in front of your front door with no
issue. I doubt that was the intent of the declarations's drafters.
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On Jun 9, 2017, at 4:09 PM, Glenn Abajian <glenn.abajian@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I think this is where there may be some confusion. After reading the
bylaws, it doesn't state that the grass areas are *common* or *limited
common* elements.
Per the bylaws:
*The limited common elements include:*
- *Any sidewalk or entry gate serving one or more but less than all
Units*
- *The sidewalk serving only one unit*
- *The driveway providing entry to the garage of each unit*
- *Any desk attach to and serving only one unit*
- *any enclosed yard area as shown on the Survey or Floors plans*
- *The portion of Common Elements on which there is located any
portion of the air conditioning or heating system exclusively serving a
particular Unit or Units*
- *Any utility meter which serves only one unit*
- *Each unit is assigned one mailbox or mail slot*
*The Common elements consist of all portions of the Condominium not
located within the boundaries of a Unit. The Common Elements include,
without limitation, certain utilities, fences, entry features, paving,
walls, retaining walls and exterior walls of the building, trash compactor,
awnings, landscape areas, mail area, fitness facility, swimming pool,
clubhouse, limited access fated entry system, and all personalty, furniture
and fixtures located on any common element, expect items located on any
limited common element.*
I may be wrong in assuming "landscape areas" include the grass areas but
please correct me if I'm wrong.
Thank you,
Glenn Abajian
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 3:31 PM, Tiffany Harlow <tiffany.harlow@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Actually, after a re-read of the declaration and bylaws, I believe that
the sections of grass directly in front of our doors and driveways are
considered "limited common elements" under our rules as opposed to general
"common elements" (such as the gym, pool, etc.) so in that case, the rules
actually state that use of those "limited" areas are reserved exclusively
for the owners of the unit to which the limited area is assigned.
This would mean that only homeowners who are assigned to those areas,
i.e. live on those "limited" elements, can allow their dogs to use them.
Others would be in violation. That would be my reading of the actual rules
but we can discuss that with CMA and get out some form of official
interpretation at a later date.
In the meantime, I will post that portion of the rules in the mailbox
area along with others I think should be considered as I mentioned in my
earlier email. Thanks.
*Tiffany Harlow, Esq. tiffany.harlow@xxxxxxxxx <tiffany.harlow@xxxxxxxxx>
404-931-5567 <(404)%20931-5567>*
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 3:24 PM, Christian Pena <cpena711@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Certainly, as long as the pet owners continue (or start) picking up
around the front gate and or ends of the neighborhood there should not be a
problem.
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Zane Strebor <planetzane@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Tiffany, that is a great idea. There are actually common areas that are
not in front of resident doors that can be utilized for pets to use. I
don't have any issue with that. Thanks.
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 2:34 PM, Tiffany Harlow <
tiffany.harlow@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
There are side grass areas within the gates you can use as opposed to
directly in front of someone's front door.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 9, 2017, at 2:32 PM, Christian Pena <cpena711@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I just got a dog last week (some of you have seen the little pup) and
have picked up after him obviously, since I know I'm not trying to be one
of those getting the stink eye. That's being said, I was told that all
outside areas are indeed communal, so a dog going to the bathroom on it is
not against the rules. Since I'm now part of the pet owners in the
neighborhood, I truly wish I had grass in front of my door ( I definitely
don't want to walk outside the gates on the midnight or 4am walks), but
please call out pet owners that you see not picking up waste.
CMA should 100% place fines on irresponsible pet owners AND folks
throwing away furniture (I'm preaching I know), our more vocal residents
are doing all they can, but CMA should really get more strict to avoid
things escalating like this and having everyone all of a sudden be upset
and vocalizing concerns. Should have never reached this point (again, I
know I'm preaching).
On Jun 9, 2017, at 1:34 PM, Susan Stern <susan.k.stern@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Also, and correct me if I'm wrong, there is nothing about a dog
relieving itself on the grass that violates any rules. The violation comes
when the owners do not clean up after the pet. The grassy areas are
shared/communal space.
We did talk at the last board meeting (3 of us non-board members
attended--it's a great chance to stay informed and share your concerns!)
about the issue of urine spots in the grass and how unattractive it is. No
immediate solutions were identified, but we brainstormed several ideas. If
anyone is on the listserv reading this who has a dog, please consider
taking them outside of the gates for their potty breaks.
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 12:57 PM, Tiffany Harlow <
tiffany.harlow@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Zane,
Of course there are many rules related to this, among other things.
Unfortunately, as you have seen this week, our neighbors have very loose
interpretations of what those rules are or have not taken time to
actually
read them. Trust me, you are not alone in your sentiment. In the next
few
weeks, I will be posting at the mailboxes, relevant portions of our
covenants that I believe residents need to be reminded of and as Kyle has
mentioned, the Board is going to try this year at being more diligent in
enforcing those rules. This may prove uncomfortable for some, but we
have
to get some order around here because many of the major issues we are now
tackling, i.e. the rats, are a direct result of having gotten lax over
the
years.
In the meantime, I wouldn't go so far as to suggest you engage with
neighbors that you see violating the rules (although I will give a long
stare sometimes to folks that I see at or near my patch and it has
worked,
they move along quickly), but if you can let us on the board know who to
address, we will be happy to do so on your behalf.
*Tiffany Harlow, Esq. tiffany.harlow@xxxxxxxxx
<tiffany.harlow@xxxxxxxxx> 404-931-5567 <(404)%20931-5567>*
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 12:35 PM, Zane Strebor <planetzane@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Speaking of pets, I feel that it is unfair for those of us without
pets to be subjected to dogs pooping all over our patches of grass. Are
they any rules regarding pet owners being able to utilize the yards of
others for their pets? Even if they pick it up, the stench and remnants
remain and attract insects and rodents toward our houses. I don't feel
that
is fair at all. Sometimes I can barely pull out my garage because people
are standing there with the dogs taking a bathroom break on my patch of
grass. Thanks.
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Traci Houston <
dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Thank you!!!!
We appreciate all your dedication and efforts to help keep our
community clean.
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On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 11:40 AM, Tiffany Harlow
<tiffany.harlow@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Yes, thank you Marny. And we should all thank Kyle as a neighbor
and board member for helping to clean up the trash all week and
disposing
of this morning's rat. It takes a village.
*Tiffany Harlow, Esq. tiffany.harlow@xxxxxxxxx
<tiffany.harlow@xxxxxxxxx> 404-931-5567 <(404)%20931-5567>*
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Kyle Mann <kylemann1@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Thanks Marny,
CMA is supposed to be sending notices to everyone having those
cans, to remove them or be fined going forward.
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<highland-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:highland-discuss-
bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <highland-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On
Behalf Of *Marny Heit
*Sent:* Friday, June 09, 2017 10:44 AM
*To:* highland-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [highland-discuss] Re: RATS!
It's also probably a good time for those of you with those garbage
cans full of dog waste outside your doors to get rid of them unless you
want rats on your doorsteps.
*Marny Heit*
*675 Ponce de Leon Ave., NE*
*Suite 8500*
*Atlanta, Georgia 30308*
*T: 404-313-4923*
*F: 404-393-7393*
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On Jun 9, 2017, at 10:31 AM, Tiffany Harlow <
tiffany.harlow@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
The dumpster has been emptied this morning and the dead rat has
been disposed of. Neighbors, you will have to understand that in
order to
alleviate this rat problem, we will temporarily see dead rats on
occasion
and we cannot guarantee where they will be found. This is
unfortunately
how extermination works. We have asked for your patience and
vigilance.
Please continue to dispose of your trash appropriately, hold your
trash and
do not dump if you see that the dumpster is already full or
overflowing and
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do not do this with your dog waste. We will
never get
over this hurdle if we continue to just be careless.
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*Tiffany Harlow, Esq. tiffany.harlow@xxxxxxxxx
<tiffany.harlow@xxxxxxxxx> 404-931-5567*
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 9:53 AM, Ibironke Apata <iwapata@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Thanks for sharing the update on the rats. It is truly a crisis and
I'm surprised that we were not made aware formally. I got the flyer
about
trash but not about the rats. On sunday night I easy horrified to see 5
rats by the dumpster and 2 days later. I spotted 2 rats. I believe the
health department should be notified and all actions being taken shared
with us. The dumpster will continue to be a source of breedinf. I
wonder if
we should all have trash cans we bring out once or twice a week and
eliminate the use of a dumpster.
This community usef to be so clean! Is there a meeting about this
coming up?
On Jun 9, 2017 9:44 AM, "William Hauser" <wm.hauser@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Dead rat in roadway in front of bldg 200
On Jun 8, 2017 8:31 AM, "Christian Pena" <cpena711@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Thanks Isom, that's great information. I do also agree that in
Dennis' absence someone at CMA should help so the board, who all have
day
jobs, don't have to handle this.
Please keep talking to your neighbors and bringing it up in case
they are not on the chain. Mention this chain to see if they are on
it, if
not, offer to take their email down and reach out here to add them in.
Mention the trash as food source and how we are trying to get this
fixed.
OVER COMMUNICATE! Let's finally all get on the same page and get this
over
with. Not only is it gross (and I'm scared of rats honestly) but the
property values will lower while out HOA's will go up, nobody wins.
Best,
Christian
On Jun 8, 2017, at 8:13 AM, Wenona Belton <wcbelton@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
If Dennis is unavailable, who at CMA should be handling? Is a
major rat infestation not considered a crisis that the property
management
company should address?
W. Belton
On Jun 8, 2017, at 2:04 AM, isom hawes <isom25@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hello everyone, I'd like to chime in, in hopes of helping out with
some of the concerns regarding the rodent issue. Back in the early
2000's,
I use to work for Orkin and coincidentally I had a few customers in
this
same complex. If I were to assume that extermination methods have not
changed, there are only a couple ways to get rid of the rats. You
either
poison them or you set out old school rat traps. Both methods are
effective but depending on the circumstance, one method will work
better
than the other. In dealing with large numbers, as we are now, poison
is
really the only way to suppress the population.
Poison, however, will really only be effective if there are no
other food sources for the rats. They will almost always choose the
food
in the trash over the poison if they have access to it. Because of
this,
extermination of the rats will have to be a joint effort between us and
Orkin. Orkin can lay out poison from now until next year but the
problem
won't start to improve until we stop allowing the rodents easy access
to
our trash.
As I understand it, the reason the compactor was removed was to
have it cleaned and to have the space around the compactor cleaned
since
over time trash had begun to build up on the grounds around the
compactor.
This trash had become a continuous source of food for the rats making
the
problem worse. I noticed a couple of days ago that there was a drain
hole
at the base of the temporary dumpster and rats were going in and out
of the
hole.... again having easy access to the trash. I'm sure this easy
access was impeding the efforts of Orkin. Today I went and bought some
steel wool and plugged the hole. I was taught when I worked at Orkin
that
rats tend not to chew through it because it cuts their gums. You may
want
to give it a try at your homes if you find small entry points that
need to
be closed off to prevent the rats from invading.
As for the length of time it will take to fix this problem, there
is no way to really know. It all depends on how good of a job we do of
making sure the rodents can't get to our trash. If we can keep them
out of
our trash, they will then start to get desperate for food, eat the
poison
and the problem will improve sooner rather than later.
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<highland-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> <highland-discuss-bounce@
freelists.org <highland-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> on behalf
of Traci Houston <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 7, 2017 11:31 PM
*To:* planetzane@xxxxxxxxx; highland-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [highland-discuss] Re: RATS!
Where is the back turn?
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On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 11:27 PM, Zane Strebor
<planetzane@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I wonder about the health department as well because I just looked
out my window and saw one run out a drain pipe up near the back turn.
They
are everywhere!
On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 11:20 PM, Wenona Belton <wcbelton@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
I am interested in the answers to the questions posed by Ms.
Houston and wonder if perhaps the health department should be notified?
Thank you,
W. Belton
On Jun 7, 2017, at 10:24 PM, Traci Houston (Redacted sender
"tracihouston" for DMARC) <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
While circulars were posted to everyone's door I'm not sure all the
residents truly recognize the severity of this rat infestation. I sure
didnt! This is what should be communicated. If residents knew they
were at
risk with their health, informed that the rat infestation could
potentially
grow where rodents could enter our homes, and that our property values
could be negatively impacted - maybe people would listen. This is very
serious! I absolutely do not take this problem lightly. In fact, Im
scared
to even go to the dumpster now.
As a homeowner and resident I would like to know what is the
overall detailed action plan to address this issue?
I know that the extermination process started today but what's
involved? What specifically is the exterminator doing? Who is the
exterminator? Are they coming daily? Weekly? How long will the process
last? Does the exterminator have an aggressive plan of attack? When do
they
anticipate we will be rid of these rats? Is this easy to do? Or is
this a
long term project? What role do all residents have (other than proper
disposal of trash) during this process? Do we need to schedule any
extermination to our individual homes and who pays for it? Who do we
contact for questions or if we see a rat in our homes?
My next question is what specifically is being done about the
dumpster? I assume the trash compactor doesnt work at all? If not,
what is
the plan to have a working dumpster or are we going to have more
frequent
trash pick-up? When will any action be taken? Whats the timeline?
What responsibility does the HOA mgmt company have in this entire
process - if any at all?
Lastly I think it would be extremely helpful to over-communicate
during this crisis - yes, crisis. If we dont communicate the
seriousness of
this issue people will not be aware of this grave problem. If I wasnt
part
of this group thread I wouldnt be aware of anything. If we dont arrest
the
problem now we could be at serious risk for other problems none of us
want
diwn the road.
There should be communications that are posted/emailed/mailed/text
to all residents that a) outline the problem we currently have and how
it
occurred b) communicate the actions that have been taken and next
steps and
c) how we can collectively prevent this from happening in the future.
Along
with these communication channels we need some type of signage - even
if
temporary - around all common areas reminding everyone about the trash
guidelines.
I have not seen this type of detailed communication just yet. Is
there a plan for one? I am more than willing to assist with writing the
communication and distributing to my fellow neighbors.
Can someone answer these questions?
Thank You
Traci
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On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 6:38 PM, Tiffany Harlow
<tiffany.harlow@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Yeah the person who left the trash needs to come back and get it.
We are all adults here. Members of the board, friends of the board and
random other community members should not have to do this every time.
It's
getting ridiculous.
And for the record, if you know you live next door to a neighbor
who is not on this list or who doesn't get the info, each one teach
one,
pass the info along.
Word of mouth is not a new concept.
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On Jun 7, 2017, at 6:36 PM, Zane Strebor <planetzane@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Just drove out the gate and there were 2 huge rats feeding off that
bag of trash on the ground. Someone really needs to move that bag of
trash.
On Jun 7, 2017, at 5:44 PM, Jodie Victor <jodievictor@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
I've been gone since the Sunday morning, but have read all the
emails from another state. I just left the neighborhood after being
home
for about 15 minutes. Sitting by the compactor is a bag of trash. As I
waited for the gate to open, a rat exited the bag of trash. It is
apparently not clear to all residents of what is currently going on in
our
community. Why is that so?
I am a renter, but I am curious why a private company is being used
for trash?
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<highland-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> <highland-discuss-bounce@
freelists.org <highland-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> on behalf
of Joseph Curtis <josephcurtis07@xxxxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 7, 2017 4:27:07 PM
*To:* Highland
*Subject:* [highland-discuss] RATS!
There is a dead half eaten rat in the back of the pool deck! Behind
the trash can. And many many live rats around the trash dumpster. We
need
to put the plug back in the dumpster because the rats are using it as a
door into the dumpster. buffet time!
Joseph Curtis
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Zane
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Zane
Publisher
Strebor Books/ATRIA Books/Simon and Schuster
Office 202-618-BOOK
"Subjecting yourself to the perception others have of you will keep
you ordinary."
--
Susan K. Shwartz, Ph.D.
Clinical Neuropsychologist
Shepherd Pathways
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Publisher
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Office 202-618-BOOK
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