Niels, I'm sorry I have to say this, but I do think it's all in your head. Really. The admin list is not the core developer list, it is the core Haiku contributor list. Developers don't "hang out there" instead of hanging out here. That really is not true. What is true, is that this list gets used for discussing things that we don't want to discuss in public. Just to give an _example_: if someone (from the core team) is critized, and it doesn't belong here. As for help with your work on the USB stack. Don't you understand the simple fact that everyone had other stuff to do? I know it sucks if you need help, but that is the truth and it doesn't even mean that no one wants to help. For example, I read through all your code one day, but I simply didn't have anything to contribute/help. Now Michael is helping with USB. It has at least encouraged you to pick up work on the UBS stack again. Wonderful! But how can you hold a grudge against anyone for not having drawn their attention towards USB before? It is like holding a grudge towards weather. And one thing I found most untrue in your email is that of the open development process. How could it possibly be more open? Are you *seriously* not on the commit list? If you were, you would have known about Michaels USB progress at the same time as everyone else, right when it happened. When Michael temporarily had no internet access, he even went through the hassle and wrote a lengthy blog entry, just to keep everyone informed. He even posted to this list about it!! IIRC, you were the one doing your development in private, and not right in the repository. And you mentioned "official word". Is it only official when Michael Phipps wrote it? Am I less official, even if I wrote the entire icon stuff? And by the way, Michael did post an email on the subject, stating that what I said was the official opinion (or something to that effect, because some other people asked as well). Please, there certainly are things which can be improved. But please keep the discussion honest. (I mean to honestly analyse the cause of some things, and if one can even do something about them. And don't post untrue accusations.) Best regards, -Stephan