Hi list, Donn Cave wrote: >> I look at it this way, while the signal to noise ratio may become >> unfavorable time to time, it does seem to stimulate developer >> motivation to flesh out passions and point of view. I think this is an important point. >I hope so, and the crew seems like robust, durable people who will >be able to handle plenty of criticism etc. Just seems like it might >be just tiresome to be forever revisiting the same defenses of the >project's direction, for each new master debater who comes along. First of all, I'm sorry I'm posting this on the dev list, but I need to get this off my chest :) I'm not a "master debater", but I do share the frustration: as a near-fanatic BeOS user back in the days, I'm yearning for its resurrection. I'm sure the crew is both robust and durable. They have to be durable, since Haiku seems to be an eternity in the works. Anyway, I first discovered Haiku five or six years ago. It had a sexy home page, there was a Google talk and I was confident that I could soon start running my good old BeOS software any day now. After all these years, my hardware is still not supported (vesa sucks and my usb3 dongles are nowhere to be found) and the stability of the thing leaves a lot to be desired. Is it really surprising that people start asking questions? Unfortunately, the answers are just variations of "don't tell us how to do things". Most of the effort nowadays seems to be in porting posix software and a web browser toolkit as well making packages for a premature package manager. If I want a posix system I can run any *nix already. Why not stick to getting the BeOS core and BeOS API stable and get great hardware support? Most of what works for me in Haiku works from the shell. And it pretty much starts to feel like I'm using some weird linux/beos bastard; it's close enough to a posix system that it naturally gravitates towards becoming a unix clone. You got A, now I want B. The effort in keeping all these unix software ports up-to-date (considering the dependencies) is going to be massive. In other words, you will fail, the project is just too small. Stick to recreating BeOS, please! Maybe it's time to take a step back. It's been close to 15 years, and we have a weird unix clone in the works. anders, aarhus ____________________________________________________________ Can't remember your password? Do you need a strong and secure password? Use Password manager! It stores your passwords & protects your account. Check it out at http://mysecurelogon.com/manager