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<HTML><BODY STYLE=3D"font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV>Paul wrote: <S=
TRONG><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS, Comic Sans,Sans-serif">=AB...To discov=
er which -- if any -- of these is correct requires many more data.=BB</FO=
NT></STRONG>&nbsp; </DIV> <DIV>Since you won't recognize that (physical)&=
nbsp;life and intelligent beings are a good physical reason, will you be =
intelligent enough to accept it as very important <STRONG>data</STRONG> ?=
</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Question about Mars: if there is a 4 minute=
s difference on Earth between solar and sideral day, what makes you write=
 that the difference on Mars would only be 2 minutes ?&nbsp; </DIV> <DIV>=
You wrote: =AB<FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS, Comic Sans,Sans-serif">the Sun=
 rises over the eastern horizon and sets over the western horizon ... on =
Mars the frequency is 24h 39m 35s&nbsp; ... the stars rise over the easte=
rn horizon and set over the western horizon&nbsp;on Mars the frequency is=
 once per 24h 37m 22s=BB</FONT>&nbsp; </DIV> <DIV>I don't want to be "pic=
ky", but since you are stressing on precisions, you should write&nbsp;(ab=
out Sun rises) that it is an <STRONG><EM>average</EM></STRONG> frequency.=
</DIV> <DIV>Marc V</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-R=
IGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px =
solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original=
 Message -----</DIV> <DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt Arial;=
 COLOR: black"><B>From:</B> Paul Deema</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Ari=
al"><B>Sent:</B> 1 septembre 2007 16:30</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Ar=
ial"><B>To:</B> Geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt =
Arial"><B>Subject:</B> [geocentrism] Re: Earth and science</DIV> <DIV>&nb=
sp;</DIV> <STYLE type=3Dtext/css><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></STYLE>  <DIV=
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif"> <D=
IV></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2> <P>Marc V</P> <DIR> <DIR> <P>From marc-vei=
lleux@xxxxxxxxxxxx Sat Sep 1 03:46:44 2007</P> <P>Paul, </P> <P>Strike tw=
o: you totally missed the point again ! I never contested the possibiliti=
es that an observer on Mars (or any other planets) could observe the Sunr=
ise and Sunset. My point is that only the Earth has </FONT><FONT color=3D=
#808080 size=3D2>physical</FONT><FONT size=3D2> life and </FONT><FONT col=
or=3D#808080 size=3D2>physical</FONT><FONT size=3D2> intelligent beings l=
iving on it. And this is a good </FONT><FONT color=3D#808000 size=3D2>phy=
sical </FONT><FONT size=3D2>reason to give a bias to the Earth based obse=
rver. If you don't agree with this, it is because you are blinded to the =
core ! </P> <P>Marc V.</P></DIR></DIR></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>=
 <P>Well I'm up for three! Perhaps you have trouble with 'physical'? Your=
 use of physical -- as picked out in </FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#8=
08080 size=3D2>gray </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>above -- is essent=
ially redundant ie not needed, irrelevant and possibly misleading. Where =
I have picked it out in </FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#808000 size=3D=
2>olive</FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>, it is simply incorrect. A phy=
sical reason is one based on physics, or at least something objectively d=
emonstratable. Examples - "It is physically desirable to use a truck of t=
wo tonne capacity to transport this large boulder -- the boot (trunk?) of=
 your compact is just not equal to the task!"; "It is physically impossib=
le to hold one gallon (imperial or US) of water in this two litre flask";=
 "You may try to outrun a bullet from my gun sir, but you will find that =
it is physically impossible"; etc.</P></FONT><FONT size=3D2> <P>My origin=
al statement was "...they cannot all be correct and there is no physical =
reason which gives a bias to the Earth based observer..." with which you =
have dissagreed. What I intended that you should understand from this, is=
 that if I place a group of intelligent but largely ignorant beings on th=
e Earth, another on the Moon, and a third on Mars, then, on their observa=
tions, they would likely all come to the same conclusion ie that <I>they<=
/I> were on a stationary body, that <I>they</I> were at the centre of the=
 universe, and that it would remain that way until they became scientific=
ally literate and knowledgeable.</P> <P>What each of these groups would d=
iscover is that in all cases, the Sun rises over the eastern horizon and =
sets over the western horizon but that on Earth this occurs at a frequenc=
y of once per 24 hours, on the Moon 29.53 Earth days, while on Mars the f=
requency is 24h 39m 35s(Earth). They would each note that the stars rise =
over the eastern horizon and set over the western horizon but that on Ear=
th this occurs at a frequency of once per 23h 56m 4s, on the moon 27.322 =
Earth days, and on Mars the frequency is once per 24h 37m 22s (Earth). Th=
ese are among the <I>physical</I> reasons why they cannot all be right an=
d there is no <I>physical</I> reason why the Earth observations should be=
 set above the extra-terrestrial observations. To discover which -- if an=
y -- of these is correct requires many more data.</P></FONT></DIV> <P><FO=
NT face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Paul D</FONT></P> <DIV></DIV></D=
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