Philip, Have you seen this: Flower Pattern Discovery http://www.geocentricuniverse.com/page9.htm Also, "The textbook Big Bang Evolution Paradigm of the Cosmos is an anti-Bible, anti-Christ religious model found in the Kabbala of the Pharisees whose g'd is admitted to be Satan?" That means that they would Deceive you and Lie to you about the actual movements of the planets ( the number of which in our own "solar system" they don't even know. ) Theoretical Science EXPOSED as RELIGIOUS and NOT Secular!! The g'd of theoretical science is the Pharisee Religion's g'd. Anyone can read of each and every concept that makes up an evolution-based "creation scenario" that has become today's textbook cosmology and find them in ancient Rabbinic writings in the Zohar/Kabbala. It's a religion; it has a g'd. There is nothing "secular" about the "theoretical science" the world believes is really secular with no religious affiliation. Marshall Hall HERE - scroll down to section 4 ) Bernie Jack Lewis <jack.lewis@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Dear Philip, To some degree I think you are correct however I would liken the geocentrist's position tp that of a creationist's. Since we cannot 'prove' the existence of God in a way that MS would accept; because it is of the metaphysical, we can however use science to falsify MS's materialist attempts to explain our existence and origins. This aapplies to all areas of science. Jack philip madsen wrote: Geocentrism as a science. I know you all have noted my often presented defense of main stream science, not that I want to debunk geocentrism, but to be just plain fair. Perhaps it needs to be said outright... I have just spent several minutes looking at the side by side animations (GWW.) of the daily orbits of the solar system from both the geocentric and heliocentric perspective. It cannot be denied when considering all the natural motions of the planets around the central sun, as shown in both systems, that to claim an unmoving and central earth is very very unique, and goes against the natural order presented by the rest of the cosmos. Indeed against our own experimental evidence in earth bound laboratories. Its unfair to say otherwise.. Its going to require unique science to prove our claim, which we base solely on a supernatural/theological position. Philip. --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.