[geocentrism] Re: Concave model
- From: "philip madsen" <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 13:49:32 +1000
I'm always curious -- "World Geocentric Institute" -- intriguing! Didn't
produce one Goole hit. Did I/you spell it incorrectly?
Paul D
shame paul and you picked on poor old Allen... what is a Goole hit?
Phil.
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Deema
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 1:07 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Concave model
Bernie B
I'm always curious -- "World Geocentric Institute" -- intriguing! Didn't
produce one Goole hit. Did I/you spell it incorrectly?
Paul D
----- Original Message ----
From: Bernie Brauer <bbrauer777@xxxxxxxxx>
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, 30 October, 2007 1:40:53 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Concave model
Steven,
I'm sorry, I cannot consider your loony Concave Earth Theory to be
valid or worth investigating. I have 28 years tied up researching
and believing in Geocentrism, so effectively if your theory
were true, that would be like saying I have "wasted" my life pursuing
the wrong course.
In addition if my belief in Geocentrism were proven incorrect
I would become a laughing stock amongst the entire community,
and the thousands of my Geocentrism converts would be angry at me.
I make a good income here at The World Geocentric Institute
which enables a very comfortable and joyful lifestyle. If the Executive
Director
of our institute found me promoting your wild, ridiculous
and unsubstantiated Concave Earth theory, I dare say I should find
my office moved to the bathroom or very likely dismissed from my position.
Kind Regards,
Bernie : ~ )
Steven Jones <steven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Bernie,
Interesting questions, but the concave Earth model is not so easily
disproven. There is actually real maths and science behind it, but before I
continue I must stress that I don't accept this model as being true presently,
I'm only investigating it with an open-mind! If you think I'm a loony for doing
so then don't hesitate to say so! But it's interesting, and worth a look I
think.
Yes, you probably could hit the sun, although with much more difficulty
than what you may at first realize. Essential to the concave Earth model is the
fact that light is not straight, and gravity may be the same (I don't know, but
probably). If light could be proven to be curved as this model supposes, then
it would kill heliocentrism which relies heavily on the fact that light is
"straight".
Concerning your next question, this is actually easy. Light is curved,
therefore try and visualize how sunrise and sunset work. These illustrations of
summer and winter may help too:
Notice the curved light, imagine being at the last point on the bottom,
that would be just like sunset.
Finally, you may find the following of note, it was written by a friend of
mine:
"As I explained to the webmaster of the concave earth theory, I had come to
that conclusion myself before ever seeing their website. The starry sky had a
lot to do with it. The first time I went to the planetarium and
watched a star show that seemed every bit as real as what was outside. At
the end of the show the planetarium ball with lights raised up out of the pit
where it had been hidden and the announcer described what we had just seen as
an illusion. Lights projected onto the domed ceiling. Wow. Then we left and
outside the stars lit the sky and looked exactly as what we had seen inside.
How could a dome be over the earth as we know it? Years later as I was
cleaning our pool at night and using a flashlight to see if the bottom was
clean, I noticed that the beam of light was shining up on the house.
Diffraction. Light waves do not continue in a straight line when passing
through a liquid medium such as the atmosphere. When I took my kids to the
beach to skip stones on the water I noticed that the horizon of lake Ontario
came to eye level whether we were at the shoreline or on the bluff above. Then
when I was in an airplane on a business trip
I also noticed that
the horizon was at eye level on both sides of the plane, no matter how high
we went. The only way this could happen is if we were in a concave earth.
Try it yourself. Plus, if we were on a convex earth, the atmosphere would be
sucked away into the vacuum of space. Anyway, science "so called" is a false
religion. Evolution and astronomy are all meant to make us feel small and
insignificant in their universe of endless time and space. The kingdom of god
is within, not without. God is in our midst." We should always be "open" I
think Bernie, but "objective" at the same time. Best wishes, Steven.
Bernie Brauer wrote:
Steven,
So you could fire a LGM - 30 Minuteman III
Intercontinental Ballistic Missile
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/icbm/lgm-30_3.htm
at the sun and hit it?
Then if we're always looking down at the sun it would
always be daylight, unless it ducks behind something
to give us a night-time?
Just Asking,
Bernie
Steven Jones <steven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Bernie, me in blue:
Bernie Brauer wrote:
Steven,
What are they saying is the diameter and circumference of
this concave Earth? Compared to 8,000 and 24,000 miles.
Amazingly, is the fact an earth circumference of 25,000 miles was first
worked out from concave Earth experiments! Looking at the experimental data
with more modern techniques of data analysis than the Morrow (concave Earth
believers in the 19th century) team used, it has an uncertainty of a bit over
2%. Which is like the modern value by only about 2% also!
More here: http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/hollow/morrow.htm (Look for
"The Koreshan Geodetic Survey of 1897." title).
If the sun is half way, then it would be placed at 4,000 miles.
5,000 I think is the official concave Earth estimate!
Where are we standing? On the underside of a thin crust?
Well, yes, but it's not quite so thin as you imagine, between 150-500
miles think probably, and when you consider the worlds deepest mine is only 3.5
km (2.1 miles) deep, then it's thick. Interestingly, this is the limit also
because it becomes molten at that depth. Holes dug simply seal over again.
Best wishes,
Steven.
Kind Regards,
Bernie
Steven Jones <steven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dear Jack, me in blue:
Jack Lewis wrote:
Dear Steven,
I realise all that. How do they explain away geocentrism and all
the other 'isms?
Jack
Because, if it were proven that the Earth was concave and not
convex, then life must be from within, that means that the cosmos or the starry
heavens are within too as in the following diagram:
The universe doesn't exist, only the Earth and the starry globe
within, it therefore becomes apparent that sun centred, Earth centred or
whatever is irrelevant. This is probably one of the most beautiful aspects
relating to the concave Earth hypothesis.
(Luke 17:21 KJV) "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there!
for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you."
Thanks for the questions, it's appreciated to discuss this whilst I
think about it all. If you have a question or a possible problem with the
kinematics of this model, then fire-away and I'll attempt to answer it!
Best wishes,
Steven.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Jones"
<steven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 9:13 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Concave model
Interesting question dear Jack, with the concave Earth,
heliocentrism/acentrism/geocentrism, it's all irrelevant! The Earth is the
nucleus of life if you like, you can forget other planets because it is only
within the World that we live, shielded like in a womb from whatever lies
beyond. If the concave Earth could be proven, it would be the end of it all. No
more vast distances even, and a creator would be the most obvious thing ever.
In support of the concave Earth:
Question, why does a mercury leveled telescope looking out to
sea with engraved central cross-hairs feature the ocean above the cross-hairs
rather than at the centre or below?
Interesting indeed....
Brotherly love,
Steven.
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