Steven,

 

I'm sorry, I cannot consider your loony Concave Earth Theory to be

valid or worth investigating. I have 28 years tied up researching

and believing in Geocentrism, so effectively if your theory

were true, that would be like saying I have "wasted" my life pursuing

the wrong course.

In addition if my belief in Geocentrism were proven incorrect

I would become a laughing stock amongst the entire community,

and the thousands of my Geocentrism converts would be angry at me.

 

I make a good income here at The World Geocentric Institute

which enables a very comfortable and joyful lifestyle. If the Executive Director

of our institute found me promoting your wild, ridiculous

and unsubstantiated Concave Earth theory, I dare say I should find

my office moved to the bathroom or very likely dismissed from my position.

 

Kind Regards,

Bernie         : ~ )   

Steven Jones <steven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Bernie,

Interesting questions, but the concave Earth model is not so easily disproven. There is actually real maths and science behind it, but before I continue I must stress that I don't accept this model as being true presently, I'm only investigating it with an open-mind! If you think I'm a loony for doing so then don't hesitate to say so! But it's interesting, and worth a look I think.

Yes, you probably could hit the sun, although with much more difficulty than what you may at first realize. Essential to the concave Earth model is the fact that light is not straight, and gravity may be the same (I don't know, but probably). If light could be proven to be curved as this model supposes, then it would kill heliocentrism which relies heavily on the fact that light is "straight".

Concerning your next question, this is actually easy. Light is curved, therefore try and visualize how sunrise and sunset work. These illustrations of summer and winter may help too:



Notice the curved light, imagine being at the last point on the bottom, that would be just like sunset.

Finally, you may find the following of note, it was written by a friend of mine:

"As I explained to the webmaster of the concave earth theory, I had come to  that conclusion myself before ever seeing their website.  The starry sky had  a lot to do with it.  The first time I went to the planetarium and
 watched a  star show that seemed every bit as real as what was outside.  At the end of  the show the planetarium ball with lights raised up out of the pit where it  had been hidden and the announcer described what we had just seen as an  illusion.  Lights projected onto the domed ceiling.  Wow.  Then we left and  outside the stars lit the sky and looked exactly as what we had seen inside.  How could a dome be over the earth as we know it?  Years later as I was  cleaning our pool at night and using a flashlight to see if the bottom was  clean, I noticed that the beam of light was shining up on the house.  Diffraction.  Light waves do not continue in a straight line when passing  through a liquid medium such as the atmosphere.  When I took my kids to the  beach to skip stones on the water I noticed that the horizon of lake Ontario  came to eye level whether we were at the shoreline or on the bluff above.  Then when I was in an airplane on a business trip I also noticed that
 the  horizon was at eye level on both sides of the plane, no matter how high we  went.  The only way this could happen is if we were in a concave earth.  Try  it yourself.  Plus, if we were on a convex earth, the atmosphere would be  sucked away into the vacuum of space.    Anyway, science "so called" is a false religion.  Evolution and astronomy  are all meant to make us feel small and insignificant in their universe of  endless time and space.  The kingdom of god is within, not without.  God is  in our midst."    We should always be "open" I think Bernie, but "objective" at the same time.    Best wishes,    Steven.  

Bernie Brauer wrote:

Steven,

 

So you could fire a LGM - 30 Minuteman III

Intercontinental Ballistic Missile

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/icbm/lgm-30_3.htm

at the sun and hit it?

 

Then if we're always looking down at the sun it would

always be daylight, unless it ducks behind something

to give us a night-time?

 

Just Asking,

Bernie

 

Steven Jones <steven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Bernie, me in blue:

Bernie Brauer wrote:

Steven,

 

What are they saying is the diameter and circumference of

this concave Earth? Compared to 8,000 and 24,000 miles.

Amazingly, is the fact an earth circumference of 25,000 miles was first worked out from concave Earth experiments! Looking at the experimental data with more modern techniques of data analysis than the Morrow (concave Earth believers in the 19th century) team used, it has an uncertainty of a bit over 2%. Which is like the modern value by only about 2% also!

More here: http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/hollow/morrow.htm (Look for "The Koreshan Geodetic Survey of 1897." title).

 

If the sun is half way, then it would be placed at 4,000 miles.

5,000 I think is the official concave Earth estimate!

 

Where are we standing? On the underside of a thin crust?

Well, yes, but it's not quite so thin as you imagine, between 150-500 miles think probably, and when you consider the worlds deepest mine is only 3.5 km (2.1 miles) deep, then it's thick. Interestingly, this is the limit also because it becomes molten at that depth. Holes dug simply seal over again.

Best wishes,

Steven.

 

Kind Regards,

Bernie

Steven Jones <steven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Dear Jack, me in blue:

Jack Lewis wrote:

Dear Steven,
I realise all that. How do they explain away geocentrism and all the other 'isms?

Jack

Because, if it were proven that the Earth was concave and not convex, then life must be from within, that means that the cosmos or the starry heavens are within too as in the following diagram:



The universe doesn't exist, only the Earth and the starry globe within, it therefore becomes apparent that sun centred, Earth centred or whatever is irrelevant. This is probably one of the most beautiful aspects relating to the concave Earth hypothesis.

(Luke 17:21 KJV) "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you."

Thanks for the questions, it's appreciated to discuss this whilst I think about it all. If you have a question or a possible problem with the kinematics of this model, then fire-away and I'll attempt to answer it!

Best wishes,

Steven.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Jones" <steven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 9:13 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Concave model

Interesting question dear Jack, with the concave Earth, heliocentrism/acentrism/geocentrism, it's all irrelevant! The Earth is the nucleus of life if you like, you can forget other planets because it is only within the World that we live, shielded like in a womb from whatever lies beyond. If the concave Earth could be proven, it would be the end of it all. No more vast distances even, and a creator would be the most obvious thing ever.

In support of the concave Earth:

Question, why does a mercury leveled telescope looking out to sea with engraved central cross-hairs feature the ocean above the cross-hairs rather than at the centre or below?

Interesting indeed....

Brotherly love,

Steven.

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