yeah...but do you think the science center would not know: a) What geocaching even is? b) Why there's a micro cache under the top-left nosebleed seat? I usually don't get down there too often, so an actual cache that would need maintaining is out of the question. I'm just trying to make geocaching look good...not have the bio-terrorism truck out in front of the SLSC. :-) ~Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Keiser To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 7:32 PM Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Geocaching.com & Virtuals Your frustrations are valid. But, from a land manager's perspective, I'm sure they'd rather have virtuals in their parks. They might wonder why there's a virtual at the Science Center while they have to put up with a yucky tupperware full of trash in their own park. And if they all opt for virtuals, then geocaching really becomes geoplaquefinding. As far as the science center goes, you could easily do an offset cache/multi cache with Forest Park right there. Use the sign in the Science center to compute the waypoint for a cache, force the cacher to walk over the highway overpass (seeing MORE of the science center) and exit the old planetarium to find a microcache or something. Glenn would approve that in a heartbeat. Or, if you have the guts and willingness to maintain it, place a microcache magnetic key holder under one of the permanent exhibits (with permission, of course). Or, make it really difficult and pick a seat in the IMAX theater to place it under!!! The hint could be 'top left nosebleed seat'. Or, I'm sure RGS could figure out how to get a microcache planted on the dinosaur! Ok, I'm getting a little out of hand. Sorry. Dave (fullquiver) On Tuesday, September 16, 2003, at 05:14 PM, Chris Binder wrote: Ok...before you just haul off on me...just know that the following statements are explicitly my opinion and I'm not taking a shot at *gln or anyone over at geocaching.com. First off...My Science Center Virtual Cache wasn't approved...I kind of understand why...but seriously, many of us don't get a chance to go on down to the SLSC too often, and some of us have kids that dictate when, if ever, we all go to the science center. Honestly, I make the effort to make a cache that's good for the entire family. It's not one of those "hit-and-run" virtual caches that you can do over a lunch break. It's a cache that you need to park and find a sign inside of a building. It brings business to the science center, and allows families who don't get down there too often, to reward themselves for visiting with a cache find. Secondly, how do you feel on this issue: We buy the receiver. Some of us buy a charter membership. And geocaching.com dictates what the entire world of geocaching can and cannot do? :-) Personally...I like the website...I like the camaraderie that goes on in this newsgroup and in SLAGA. I like what SLAGA is doing. My problem is why geocaching.com is complaining on the number of virtuals? I'm not completely finished yet. I'm offering something constructive to say, bear with me: We all should work on a separate rule list that applies to virtual caches only. Like: No other virtuals within a .50 or a .75 mile radius. Or all virtuals should be above a rating of 2.0/1.0. Those are my thoughts. Thanks for listening. :-) ~Chris