Ok...before you just haul off on me...just know that the following statements are explicitly my opinion and I'm not taking a shot at *gln or anyone over at geocaching.com. First off...My Science Center Virtual Cache wasn't approved...I kind of understand why...but seriously, many of us don't get a chance to go on down to the SLSC too often, and some of us have kids that dictate when, if ever, we all go to the science center. Honestly, I make the effort to make a cache that's good for the entire family. It's not one of those "hit-and-run" virtual caches that you can do over a lunch break. It's a cache that you need to park and find a sign inside of a building. It brings business to the science center, and allows families who don't get down there too often, to reward themselves for visiting with a cache find. Secondly, how do you feel on this issue: We buy the receiver. Some of us buy a charter membership. And geocaching.com dictates what the entire world of geocaching can and cannot do? :-) Personally...I like the website...I like the camaraderie that goes on in this newsgroup and in SLAGA. I like what SLAGA is doing. My problem is why geocaching.com is complaining on the number of virtuals? I'm not completely finished yet. I'm offering something constructive to say, bear with me: We all should work on a separate rule list that applies to virtual caches only. Like: No other virtuals within a .50 or a .75 mile radius. Or all virtuals should be above a rating of 2.0/1.0. Those are my thoughts. Thanks for listening. :-) ~Chris