[gameprogrammer] Re: Something to check out
- From: "Gautam Narain" <gautam_n_@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: gameprogrammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:26:12 +0530
Hi,
The command line tools are of no worth because the learning and working
curve will be as bad as it would be with GCC. Why pay for something that
wont ease the pain in anyway. IMO VS 6.0 was selling because of its
intuitive IDE. Even the debugger is very useful only with the IDE else its
probably as bad as GDB.
However VC++ 2003 toolkit is free for quite some time now and I beleive
there is a way to make it work with VS 6.0 IDE.
Gautam Narain
>From: "Kevin Fields" <drunkendruid@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [gameprogrammer] Something to check out
>Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 19:24:12 -0400
>
>I recently (meaning today) found out that Microsoft is releasing their
>Visual C++ 2003 IDE for free. Not sure if anyone else knew about that, but
>here're the links. I just thought I'd inform people.
>
>Visual C++ 2003 - http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/vctoolkit2003/
>Visual C++ 2003 Debugger - http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/ddk/debugging/
>
>That's right, MS has decided to NOT include the debugger with the VC++ 2003
>toolkit. No idea why they did that. But, oh well. At least it's free now.
>
>Kevin
>
>
>
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>Subject: [gameprogrammer] Re: Something to check out
>From: Petri Latvala <adrinael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 01:57:39 +0200
>
>On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 19:24 -0400, Kevin Fields wrote:
> > I recently (meaning today) found out that Microsoft is releasing their
> > Visual C++ 2003 IDE for free. Not sure if anyone else knew about that,
>but
> > here're the links. I just thought I'd inform people.
> >
> > Visual C++ 2003 - http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/vctoolkit2003/
> > Visual C++ 2003 Debugger - http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/ddk/debugging/
> >
> > That's right, MS has decided to NOT include the debugger with the VC++
>2003
> > toolkit. No idea why they did that. But, oh well. At least it's free
>now.
>
>Is it really the IDE or still just the command line tools?
>
>--
>Petri Latvala
>
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>Subject: [gameprogrammer] Re: Something to check out
>From: Bob Pendleton <bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 18:01:08 -0600
>
>On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 19:24 -0400, Kevin Fields wrote:
> > I recently (meaning today) found out that Microsoft is releasing their
> > Visual C++ 2003 IDE for free.
>
>Huh, interesting. I can think of several reasons to do it. I can spin
>theories all day!
>
>The cost of MS development tools has been the reason that things like
>OpenWatcom and DevC++ have become so popular. And, I have heard that the
>cost of MS development tools is one of the things driving adoption of
>Linux in governments and in third world countries.
>
>OTOH, Bill Gates just committed $750 million to vaccinating children
>world wide. May be he is just feeling generous this week.
>
> > Not sure if anyone else knew about that, but
> > here're the links. I just thought I'd inform people.
>
>Is that the latest version of VC++? Or an older version?
>
> >
> > Visual C++ 2003 - http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/vctoolkit2003/
> > Visual C++ 2003 Debugger - http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/ddk/debugging/
> >
> > That's right, MS has decided to NOT include the debugger with the VC++
>2003
> > toolkit. No idea why they did that. But, oh well. At least it's free
>now.
>
>Are they charging for the debugger?
>
> >
> > Kevin
>
> Bob Pendleton
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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>From: "Kevin Fields" <drunkendruid@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [gameprogrammer] Re: Something to check out
>Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 23:18:14 -0400
>
>It doesn't look like the IDE is included in the toolkit.
>But the debugger appears to be free.
>They've brought out the Visual Studio 2005 beta. So, maybe they're phasing
>out .NET 2003 like they've done with VS 6.0.
>
>That's a great thing Gates is doing.
>
> >From: Bob Pendleton <bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Reply-To: gameprogrammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >To: Gameprogrammer Mailing List <gameprogrammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Subject: [gameprogrammer] Re: Something to check out
> >Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 18:01:08 -0600
> >
> >On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 19:24 -0400, Kevin Fields wrote:
> > > I recently (meaning today) found out that Microsoft is releasing their
> > > Visual C++ 2003 IDE for free.
> >
> >Huh, interesting. I can think of several reasons to do it. I can spin
> >theories all day!
> >
> >The cost of MS development tools has been the reason that things like
> >OpenWatcom and DevC++ have become so popular. And, I have heard that the
> >cost of MS development tools is one of the things driving adoption of
> >Linux in governments and in third world countries.
> >
> >OTOH, Bill Gates just committed $750 million to vaccinating children
> >world wide. May be he is just feeling generous this week.
> >
> > > Not sure if anyone else knew about that, but
> > > here're the links. I just thought I'd inform people.
> >
> >Is that the latest version of VC++? Or an older version?
> >
> > >
> > > Visual C++ 2003 - http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/vctoolkit2003/
> > > Visual C++ 2003 Debugger -
>http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/ddk/debugging/
> > >
> > > That's right, MS has decided to NOT include the debugger with the VC++
> >2003
> > > toolkit. No idea why they did that. But, oh well. At least it's free
> >now.
> >
> >Are they charging for the debugger?
> >
> > >
> > > Kevin
> >
> > Bob Pendleton
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
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>Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:21:05 +0200
>From: Szasz Pal <space@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [gameprogrammer] Re: game engine?
>
> > I'm just learning to use Blender myself, and nearly all the tutorials I
> > read start with "It was so hard to get used to, but once I did, it was
> > much easier to use." I guess that makes Blender the "Dvorak" of
> > modeling/rendering programs.
>And I 100% agree with the above :-)
>I also use blender for simpler modelling (I'm not a pro, but I like to
>make the gfx myself). And after 2 weeks of learnings I used Blender very
>easily. Blender rulez (mostly because it's free :-)
>
>
>--
>Best regards,
>Szasz Pal
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>http://www.spacesoftwarestudio.com
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