I recently (meaning today) found out that Microsoft is releasing their Visual C++ 2003 IDE for free. Not sure if anyone else knew about that, but here're the links. I just thought I'd inform people. Visual C++ 2003 - http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/vctoolkit2003/ Visual C++ 2003 Debugger - http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/ddk/debugging/ That's right, MS has decided to NOT include the debugger with the VC++ 2003 toolkit. No idea why they did that. But, oh well. At least it's free now. Kevin --------------------- To unsubscribe go to http://gameprogrammer.com/mailinglist.html