[gameprogrammer] Re: Something to check out
- From: "Kevin Fields" <drunkendruid@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: gameprogrammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:24:21 -0400
I downloaded the setup file, but then you have to download 80+ megs of files
to get it. That's just too much for someone that's on dialup (like me).
>From: "Andy Hynes" <andy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Reply-To: gameprogrammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>To: <gameprogrammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [gameprogrammer] Re: Something to check out
>Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:13:22 -0000
>
>Has anyone tried the Beta release of Visual Studio 2005?
>
>http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/vs2005/
>
>I'm assuming it comes with C++ compiler, etc. I was thinking of giving it
>a
>go rather than have to shell out for another IDE, even more so now that
>Microsoft do not support VC++6.0 with the DirectX SDK any more.
>
>Andy
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: gameprogrammer-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gameprogrammer-
> > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kevin Fields
> > Sent: 26 January 2005 17:04
> > To: gameprogrammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [gameprogrammer] Re: Something to check out
> >
> > Yeah, that's what gets me. Why didn't they release the IDE with the
> > toolkit?
> > Geez, they're already giving away the toolkit and debugger for free.
> >
> > >From: "Gautam Narain" <gautam_n_@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >Reply-To: gameprogrammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >To: gameprogrammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >Subject: [gameprogrammer] Re: Something to check out
> > >Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:26:12 +0530
> > >
> > >Hi,
> > >
> > >The command line tools are of no worth because the learning and working
> > >curve will be as bad as it would be with GCC. Why pay for something
>that
> > >wont ease the pain in anyway. IMO VS 6.0 was selling because of its
> > >intuitive IDE. Even the debugger is very useful only with the IDE else
> > its
> > >probably as bad as GDB.
> > >
> > >However VC++ 2003 toolkit is free for quite some time now and I beleive
> > >there is a way to make it work with VS 6.0 IDE.
> > >
> > >Gautam Narain
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Kevin Fields" <drunkendruid@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >Subject: [gameprogrammer] Something to check out
> > > >Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 19:24:12 -0400
> > > >
> > > >I recently (meaning today) found out that Microsoft is releasing
>their
> > > >Visual C++ 2003 IDE for free. Not sure if anyone else knew about
>that,
> > >but
> > > >here're the links. I just thought I'd inform people.
> > > >
> > > >Visual C++ 2003 - http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/vctoolkit2003/
> > > >Visual C++ 2003 Debugger -
>http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/ddk/debugging/
> > > >
> > > >That's right, MS has decided to NOT include the debugger with the
>VC++
> > >2003
> > > >toolkit. No idea why they did that. But, oh well. At least it's free
> > now.
> > > >
> > > >Kevin
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >------------------------------
> > > >
> > > >Subject: [gameprogrammer] Re: Something to check out
> > > >From: Petri Latvala <adrinael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 01:57:39 +0200
> > > >
> > > >On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 19:24 -0400, Kevin Fields wrote:
> > > > > I recently (meaning today) found out that Microsoft is releasing
> > their
> > > > > Visual C++ 2003 IDE for free. Not sure if anyone else knew about
> > that,
> > > >but
> > > > > here're the links. I just thought I'd inform people.
> > > > >
> > > > > Visual C++ 2003 - http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/vctoolkit2003/
> > > > > Visual C++ 2003 Debugger -
> > >http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/ddk/debugging/
> > > > >
> > > > > That's right, MS has decided to NOT include the debugger with the
> > VC++
> > > >2003
> > > > > toolkit. No idea why they did that. But, oh well. At least it's
>free
> > > >now.
> > > >
> > > >Is it really the IDE or still just the command line tools?
> > > >
> > > >--
> > > >Petri Latvala
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > >Subject: [gameprogrammer] Re: Something to check out
> > > >From: Bob Pendleton <bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 18:01:08 -0600
> > > >
> > > >On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 19:24 -0400, Kevin Fields wrote:
> > > > > I recently (meaning today) found out that Microsoft is releasing
> > their
> > > > > Visual C++ 2003 IDE for free.
> > > >
> > > >Huh, interesting. I can think of several reasons to do it. I can spin
> > > >theories all day!
> > > >
> > > >The cost of MS development tools has been the reason that things like
> > > >OpenWatcom and DevC++ have become so popular. And, I have heard that
> > the
> > > >cost of MS development tools is one of the things driving adoption of
> > > >Linux in governments and in third world countries.
> > > >
> > > >OTOH, Bill Gates just committed $750 million to vaccinating children
> > > >world wide. May be he is just feeling generous this week.
> > > >
> > > > > Not sure if anyone else knew about that, but
> > > > > here're the links. I just thought I'd inform people.
> > > >
> > > >Is that the latest version of VC++? Or an older version?
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Visual C++ 2003 - http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/vctoolkit2003/
> > > > > Visual C++ 2003 Debugger -
> > >http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/ddk/debugging/
> > > > >
> > > > > That's right, MS has decided to NOT include the debugger with the
> > VC++
> > > >2003
> > > > > toolkit. No idea why they did that. But, oh well. At least it's
>free
> > > >now.
> > > >
> > > >Are they charging for the debugger?
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Kevin
> > > >
> > > > Bob Pendleton
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >------------------------------
> > > >
> > > >From: "Kevin Fields" <drunkendruid@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >Subject: [gameprogrammer] Re: Something to check out
> > > >Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 23:18:14 -0400
> > > >
> > > >It doesn't look like the IDE is included in the toolkit.
> > > >But the debugger appears to be free.
> > > >They've brought out the Visual Studio 2005 beta. So, maybe they're
> > >phasing
> > > >out .NET 2003 like they've done with VS 6.0.
> > > >
> > > >That's a great thing Gates is doing.
> > > >
> > > > >From: Bob Pendleton <bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > >Reply-To: gameprogrammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >To: Gameprogrammer Mailing List <gameprogrammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > >Subject: [gameprogrammer] Re: Something to check out
> > > > >Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 18:01:08 -0600
> > > > >
> > > > >On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 19:24 -0400, Kevin Fields wrote:
> > > > > > I recently (meaning today) found out that Microsoft is releasing
> > >their
> > > > > > Visual C++ 2003 IDE for free.
> > > > >
> > > > >Huh, interesting. I can think of several reasons to do it. I can
>spin
> > > > >theories all day!
> > > > >
> > > > >The cost of MS development tools has been the reason that things
>like
> > > > >OpenWatcom and DevC++ have become so popular. And, I have heard
>that
> > >the
> > > > >cost of MS development tools is one of the things driving adoption
>of
> > > > >Linux in governments and in third world countries.
> > > > >
> > > > >OTOH, Bill Gates just committed $750 million to vaccinating
>children
> > > > >world wide. May be he is just feeling generous this week.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Not sure if anyone else knew about that, but
> > > > > > here're the links. I just thought I'd inform people.
> > > > >
> > > > >Is that the latest version of VC++? Or an older version?
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Visual C++ 2003 -
>http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/vctoolkit2003/
> > > > > > Visual C++ 2003 Debugger -
> > > >http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/ddk/debugging/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That's right, MS has decided to NOT include the debugger with
>the
> > >VC++
> > > > >2003
> > > > > > toolkit. No idea why they did that. But, oh well. At least it's
> > free
> > > > >now.
> > > > >
> > > > >Are they charging for the debugger?
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kevin
> > > > >
> > > > > Bob Pendleton
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >------------------------------
> > > >
> > > >Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:21:05 +0200
> > > >From: Szasz Pal <space@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >Subject: [gameprogrammer] Re: game engine?
> > > >
> > > > > I'm just learning to use Blender myself, and nearly all the
> > tutorials
> > >I
> > > > > read start with "It was so hard to get used to, but once I did, it
> > was
> > > > > much easier to use." I guess that makes Blender the "Dvorak" of
> > > > > modeling/rendering programs.
> > > >And I 100% agree with the above :-)
> > > >I also use blender for simpler modelling (I'm not a pro, but I like
>to
> > > >make the gfx myself). And after 2 weeks of learnings I used Blender
> > very
> > > >easily. Blender rulez (mostly because it's free :-)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >--
> > > >Best regards,
> > > >Szasz Pal
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> > > >Space Software Studio
> > > >http://www.spacesoftwarestudio.com
> > > >
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