[eclipse-arduino-dev] Re: arduino eclipse plugin

  • From: Jan Baeyens <jan@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: eclipse-arduino-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 15:22:39 +0200

obviously


Op 23/05/2016 om 14:18 schreef Roberto Lo Giacco:

formerly known as Arduino Eclipse Plugin :-D


On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Roberto Lo Giacco <rlogiacco@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rlogiacco@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

    +1 with me... you didn't like any of the many names I suggested :-(

    (kidding) :-D

    *S*oftware *L*ogic for *O*pen *E*lectronic *B*oards on *E*clipse
    *R*untime



    On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 1:54 PM, Jan Baeyens <jan@xxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jan@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

        I may have missed something so....
        Is there consensus on thee name Sloeber (Software Logic to
        program Open Electronic Boards in an Eclipse Runtime)?


        Best regards
        Jantje

        Op 20/05/2016 om 13:22 schreef Wim Jongman:
        Software Logic to program Open Electronic Boards in an
        Eclipse Runtime
        Specialized Logic to ..


        On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Jan Baeyens <jan@xxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jan@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

            To replace the l I found following options

            Logic
            leader


            Op 20/05/2016 om 1:19 schreef Roberto Lo Giacco:
            Sorry, it was left in my drafts folder...



            On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:18 AM, Roberto Lo Giacco
            <rlogiacco@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rlogiacco@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:



                On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 5:28 PM, Jan Baeyens
                <jan@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jan@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

                    Sloeber (Software Library to program Open
                    Electronic Boards in an Eclipse Runtime)

                ​We can bring something out to replace "library",
                but I do LOVE this! ​

                    brilliant :-) but shouldn't it be SLOEBER as it
                    is an abbreviation?

                ​Actually an acronym :-P​

                    For me 2 for Sloeber (however it is written) and
                    1 for eclino

                ​You steal my suggestion?​ :-D

                ​Well, you gave your votes on the first two
                suggestions... that' unfair :-( :-P

                (enough smilies?)​

                My names are:
                - NEUTRINO
                - MUGELLO


                    Op 19/05/2016 om 16:56 schreef Wim Jongman:
                    ROFL. But seriously, let's stop posting random
                    words. Everyone can post two names. Then we can
                    vote for the names where everyone can give
                    three points. Either 1 point to three different
                    names or more points to a specific name.

                    I propose (until someone reclaims it):

                    Sloeber (Software Library to program Open
                    Electronic Boards in an Eclipse Runtime)
                    Eclino (Eclipse Arduino, Thanks Roberto ;)




                    On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Roberto Lo
                    Giacco <rlogiacco@xxxxxxxxx
                    <mailto:rlogiacco@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

                        I do like Sloeber...... sounds /unique/...
                        I don't know what it means, but I like the
                        way it sounds... at least the way I
                        pronounce it, which is practically muting
                        out the /e/ in the /oe/ part.

                        Also, what about completely different names:
                        * Lettuce (it's fresh!)
                        * Seven (my favorite number)
                        * Neutrino (you know....)
                        * Gluon (it's cool, it's gluish)
                        * Charge (yeah, give me some!)
                        * BitCharge (that's even more soft-ware)
                        * NRG (pronounced as energy.... /let's
                        power up the firmware the development/ as
                        motto)
                        * Mugello (motorbike famous circuit, just
                        because I like motorbikes....)

                        I'm not personally excited by eclino,
                        consider my vote as a 0 (not a +1, not a
                        -1) :-D

                        Roberto

                        On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Jan
                        Baeyens <jan@xxxxxxxxxx
                        <mailto:jan@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

                            I don't think calling the software
                            EvilCreature or EC or Sloeber is a good
                            idea.

                            For me we are still at eclino


                            Op 19/05/2016 om 13:45 schreef Roberto
                            Lo Giacco:
                            I'm one of those who get really
                            attached to animals... I feel sorry
                            for your loss...

                            I agree about naming the software
                            after your evil creature... If it's
                            one of those unpronounceable Nordic
                            names, EC or EvilCreature is fine with me!

                            Il giovedì 19 maggio 2016, Jan Baeyens
                            <jan@xxxxxxxxxx
                            <mailto:jan@xxxxxxxxxx>> ha scritto:

                                That is 3 votes for eclino

                                Marcelo, do you like eclino?
                                (don't feel pressured to say yes.) ;-)


                                Evil creature has been going to
                                the doctor last month every week
                                for antibiotics. Then all was ok
                                and then back to skinny cat. So I
                                put her at the doctor for
                                observation and anti biotic. The
                                doctor called this morning to tell
                                me evil creature has "cat aids".

                                After internal discussion we
                                decided to end the pain of "evil
                                creature"


                                Op 19/05/2016 om 13:19 schreef Wim
                                Jongman:
                                Dah, you stabbed her once to many
                                did you?

                                I like *Eclino*

                                Everything with yam is yaml alike

                                On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 1:01 PM,
                                Jan Baeyens <jan@xxxxxxxxxx
                                <mailto:jan@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

                                    yamIDE (yet another mcu IDE)

                                    For those interested. With
                                    pain in the hart, "Evil
                                    creature" is no longer.


                                    Op 18/05/2016 om 23:36
                                    schreef Wim Jongman:
                                    Totally different industry,
                                    should not be a problem.

                                    Cheers,

                                    Wim

                                    On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 9:07
                                    PM, Jan Baeyens
                                    <jan@xxxxxxxxxx
                                    <mailto:jan@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

                                        I like Eclino as well.

                                        unfortunately google
                                        does return quite some
                                        hits on it.


                                        Op 18/05/2016 om 20:44
                                        schreef Roberto Lo Giacco:
                                        :-) No
                                        Arduclipse OR Eclino

                                        On Wed, May 18, 2016 at
                                        8:43 PM, Wim Jongman
                                        <wim.jongman@xxxxxxxxx
                                        <mailto:wim.jongman@xxxxxxxxx>>
                                        wrote:

                                            *ArduinoEclipse*
                                            *EclipseArduino
                                            *


                                            Arduclipseclino?





                                            On Wed, May 18,
                                            2016 at 8:22 PM,
                                            Roberto Lo Giacco
                                            <rlogiacco@xxxxxxxxx
                                            <mailto:rlogiacco@xxxxxxxxx>>
                                            wrote:

                                                *ArduinoEclipse*
                                                *EclipseArduino
                                                *

                                                On Wed, May 18,
                                                2016 at 7:39
                                                PM, Marcelo
                                                Limori
                                                <x4j7h32m@xxxxxxxxx
                                                <mailto:x4j7h32m@xxxxxxxxx>>
                                                wrote:

                                                    And you
                                                    didn't see
                                                    the list I
                                                    came up
                                                    with. :D

                                                    2016-05-18
                                                    14:38
                                                    GMT-03:00
                                                    Jan Baeyens
                                                    <jan@xxxxxxxxxx
                                                    <mailto:jan@xxxxxxxxxx>>:

                                                        rofl

                                                        Sounds
                                                        like
                                                        most
                                                        names I
                                                        read
                                                        are
                                                        crap ;-)


                                                        Op
                                                        18/05/2016
                                                        om
                                                        19:11
                                                        schreef
                                                        Marcelo
                                                        Limori:
                                                        Maybe
                                                        you
                                                        could
                                                        ask on
                                                        the
                                                        Arduino
                                                        forums.
                                                        Or
                                                        throw
                                                        a
                                                        small
                                                        contest
                                                        perhaps.
                                                        That
                                                        way
                                                        you
                                                        get
                                                        ideas
                                                        and
                                                        promote
                                                        the
                                                        thing
                                                        at the
                                                        same time.

                                                        2016-05-18
                                                        12:21
                                                        GMT-03:00
                                                        Jan
                                                        Baeyens
                                                        <jan@xxxxxxxxxx
                                                        
<mailto:jan@xxxxxxxxxx>>:

                                                            brilIDE
                                                            (briljant
                                                            ide)

                                                            Op
                                                            18/05/2016
                                                            om
                                                            13:15
                                                            schreef
                                                            Wim
                                                            Jongman:


                                                            Solide
                                                            -
                                                            Soldering,
                                                            IDE
                                                            and
                                                            quality


                                                            On
                                                            Wed,
                                                            May
                                                            18,
                                                            2016
                                                            at
                                                            11:11
                                                            AM,
                                                            Roberto
                                                            Lo
                                                            Giacco
                                                            <rlogiacco@xxxxxxxxx
                                                            
<mailto:rlogiacco@xxxxxxxxx>>
                                                            wrote:

                                                                Keep throwing 
names lads, something will come...

                                                                  * Euclide 
(*E*clipse for *M*icro *C*ontro*L*ler *IDE*, famous greek mathematician)
                                                                  * NitrIDE 
(Nitro seemed a cool name, banging....)
                                                                  * EpoxIDE 
(also epoxy glue has somewhat to do with makers movement.... let's say we glue 
together micro controllers developement?)
                                                                  * Identiality 
(the IDE for people??? Don't know, seemed cool when it came to my mind)
                                                                  * SilicIDE 
(silicon devices IDE?)
                                                                  * BlueIDE 
(blue is the common colour between eclipse and arduino palettes.....?!? I know, 
it's getting tough even to explain....)
                                                                  * Idetached 
(..........!?!.............. don't know)
                                                                  * Idexterity 
(even sillier... I know, I know)


                                                                Keep them 
flowing....

                                                                On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 
10:58 PM, Jan Baeyens <jan@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jan@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

                                                                    I really do 
not know what to go for as a name.

                                                                    it is one 
of these (not so rare) things I'm not good at. I'd really would like a disicion 
as 7 juli is comming closer and closer.
                                                                    But I don't 
know.

                                                                    What I 
think: It is a good idea to drop the name Arduino (think about Arduino and 
Genuino)
                                                                    A proper 
name (not a descriptive text) is the way to go.

                                                                    My 
brainstorm gets to

                                                                    futide 
(resistance is futile and then ide)

                                                                    wromjai 
(mix of ja wi ro ma )
                                                                    
SeePeePeeMCUIDE (cpp mcu ide)
                                                                    
trueWholeIDE (from through hole ide)

                                                                    CUICIDE (in 
use :-( )
                                                                    picolide 
(seem to be some chemical)
                                                                    picoide 
(pico seems to be a programming language so picoide exists)
                                                                    jawiro (jan 
wim roberto :-( already in use)


                                                                    Op 
15/05/2016 om 17:27 schreef Roberto Lo Giacco:
                                                                    Little 
reminder about Eclipse name usage rules 
https://eclipse.org/legal/logo_guidelines.php#ProperEclipse

                                                                    Actually I 
believe the correct naming, if we wish to go for the /edition/ thing would be 
Arduino IDE, Eclipse Edition (note the comma) which makes us infringe/collide 
with the Arduino IDE...

                                                                    Let's 
brainstorm this, shall we?

                                                                    We are here 
talking about a microcontroller development environment, based on eclipse which 
includes parts of the Arduino software platform, but goes further than just 
Arduino micros.

                                                                      * µIDE 
(with µ being the greek letter for micro... hard to represent in non UTF8 
contexts, it would become uIDE)
                                                                      * 
microDEV (is this somewhat pretentious?)
                                                                      * AISA 
(Ambiente Integrato di Sviluppo per Arduino, italian for Arduino IDE)
                                                                      * Beyond 
IDE (meaning beyond Arduino and Eclipse)
                                                                      * Avatar 
(I actually don't know why)
                                                                      * 
Pathfinder (well, they use Mars, this was the name of the most known probe 
landing on mars.... probably better used as codename for one of our releases)
                                                                      * Aride 
(ARduino IDE, in Italian it means /arid/, plural and feminine)

                                                                    I know, 
many of the above are pretty shit, but if we go for brainstorming we should not 
be ashamed of the shittiest ideas ever, right? :-)

                                                                    Roberto



                                                                    On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 
1:51 PM, Jan Baeyens <jan@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jan@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

                                                                        Marcelo

                                                                        Please 
don't pardon :-)

                                                                        There 
has been quite some discussion about the name yet. Here is some history for you.

                                                                        Historically it 
has been named "Arduino Eclipse Plugin" as it used to be only a plugin and 
because nobody bothered as we never realized it would ever be as big as it is today.

                                                                        Then Wim added the product. 
Which makes the name "Arduino Eclipse Plugin" "no longer to covers the cargo" 
(sorry don't know the Englsh expression)

                                                                        Then 
there is the casing (which -at simple request of Wim ;-) - I will not cover)

                                                                        During 
the discussion with Eclipse legal it was mentioned that the name might not be 
confirm trademark ruling. Basically legal advises to make our own name product 
name.

                                                                        Legally Eclipse allows "eclipse 
edition" and Arduino does not really specify what is allowed for software. But for boards "for 
Arduino" is allowed but "XXX Arduino" is not.

                                                                        IMHO "Eclipse for C++" is actually 
CDT which stands for "C++ development tools" like JDT stands for "Java development tools". In that 
trend we could call it ADT "Arduino Development tools" or MDT (MCU) or IDT (iot).

                                                                        
Personally I do not really like this 3 letter abbreviation words. But I'm 
democratic guy ....

                                                                        One of the reasons I like "Arduino IDE eclipse edition" 
(but I am not crazy about it) is that we could make "IDE" and "edition" really small (far smaller that you have made 
them on the splash) so it still looks like "Arduino eclipse" as on the current splash. So that would make the official name 
"Arduino IDE eclipse edition", "Arduino Eclipse" in short.

                                                                        I think 
these are the headline of the current name discussion

                                                                        Best 
regards

                                                                        Jantje


                                                                        On 
14-05-16 19:22, Marcelo Limori wrote:
                                                                        Pardon 
the interruption, but wouldn't be more logical Eclipse Arduino Edition? You 
don't have C++ Eclipse Edition, you have Eclipse for C++.

                                                                        2016-05-14 6:08 
GMT-03:00 Wim Jongman <wim.jongman@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:wim.jongman@xxxxxxxxx>>:

                                                                            
LMAO(BW)

                                                                            On Sat, May 14, 
2016 at 12:20 AM, Jan Baeyens <jan@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jan@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

                                                                                
ROFL

                                                                                
Yes sir































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