[eclipse-arduino-dev] Re: arduino eclipse plugin

  • From: Jan Baeyens <jan@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: eclipse-arduino-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 13:54:02 +0200

I may have missed something so....
Is there consensus on thee name Sloeber (Software Logic to program Open Electronic Boards in an Eclipse Runtime)?


Best regards
Jantje

Op 20/05/2016 om 13:22 schreef Wim Jongman:

Software Logic to program Open Electronic Boards in an Eclipse Runtime
Specialized Logic to ..


On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Jan Baeyens <jan@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jan@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

    To replace the l I found following options

    Logic
    leader


    Op 20/05/2016 om 1:19 schreef Roberto Lo Giacco:
    Sorry, it was left in my drafts folder...



    On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:18 AM, Roberto Lo Giacco
    <rlogiacco@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rlogiacco@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:



        On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 5:28 PM, Jan Baeyens <jan@xxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jan@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

            Sloeber (Software Library to program Open Electronic
            Boards in an Eclipse Runtime)

        ​We can bring something out to replace "library", but I do
        LOVE this! ​

            brilliant :-) but shouldn't it be SLOEBER as it is an
            abbreviation?

        ​Actually an acronym :-P​

            For me 2 for Sloeber (however it is written) and 1 for eclino

        ​You steal my suggestion?​ :-D

        ​Well, you gave your votes on the first two suggestions...
        that' unfair :-( :-P

        (enough smilies?)​

        My names are:
        - NEUTRINO
        - MUGELLO


            Op 19/05/2016 om 16:56 schreef Wim Jongman:
            ROFL. But seriously, let's stop posting random words.
            Everyone can post two names. Then we can vote for the
            names where everyone can give three points. Either 1
            point to three different names or more points to a
            specific name.

            I propose (until someone reclaims it):

            Sloeber (Software Library to program Open Electronic
            Boards in an Eclipse Runtime)
            Eclino (Eclipse Arduino,  Thanks Roberto ;)




            On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Roberto Lo Giacco
            <rlogiacco@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rlogiacco@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

                I do like Sloeber...... sounds /unique/... I don't
                know what it means, but I like the way it sounds...
                at least the way I pronounce it, which is
                practically muting out the /e/ in the /oe/ part.

                Also, what about completely different names:
                * Lettuce (it's fresh!)
                * Seven (my favorite number)
                * Neutrino (you know....)
                * Gluon (it's cool, it's gluish)
                * Charge (yeah, give me some!)
                * BitCharge (that's even more soft-ware)
                * NRG (pronounced as energy.... /let's power up the
                firmware the development/ as motto)
                * Mugello (motorbike famous circuit, just because I
                like motorbikes....)

                I'm not personally excited by eclino, consider my
                vote as a 0 (not a +1, not a -1) :-D

                Roberto

                On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Jan Baeyens
                <jan@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jan@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

                    I don't think calling the software EvilCreature
                    or EC or Sloeber is a good idea.

                    For me we are still at eclino


                    Op 19/05/2016 om 13:45 schreef Roberto Lo Giacco:
                    I'm one of those who get really attached to
                    animals... I feel sorry for your loss...

                    I agree about naming the software after your
                    evil creature... If it's one of those
                    unpronounceable Nordic names, EC or
                    EvilCreature is fine with me!

                    Il giovedì 19 maggio 2016, Jan Baeyens
                    <jan@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jan@xxxxxxxxxx>> ha
                    scritto:

                        That is 3 votes for eclino

                        Marcelo, do you like eclino? (don't feel
                        pressured to say yes.) ;-)


                        Evil creature has been going to the doctor
                        last month every week for antibiotics. Then
                        all was ok and then back to skinny cat. So
                        I put her at the doctor for observation and
                        anti biotic. The doctor called this morning
                        to tell me evil creature has "cat aids".

                        After internal discussion we decided to end
                        the pain of "evil creature"


                        Op 19/05/2016 om 13:19 schreef Wim Jongman:
                        Dah, you stabbed her once to many did you?

                        I like *Eclino*

                        Everything with yam is yaml alike

                        On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 1:01 PM, Jan
                        Baeyens <jan@xxxxxxxxxx
                        <mailto:jan@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

                            yamIDE (yet another mcu IDE)

                            For those interested. With pain in the
                            hart, "Evil creature" is no longer.


                            Op 18/05/2016 om 23:36 schreef Wim
                            Jongman:
                            Totally different industry, should
                            not be a problem.

                            Cheers,

                            Wim

                            On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 9:07 PM, Jan
                            Baeyens <jan@xxxxxxxxxx
                            <mailto:jan@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

                                I like Eclino as well.

                                unfortunately google does return
                                quite some hits on it.


                                Op 18/05/2016 om 20:44 schreef
                                Roberto Lo Giacco:
                                :-) No
                                Arduclipse OR Eclino

                                On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 8:43 PM,
                                Wim Jongman
                                <wim.jongman@xxxxxxxxx
                                <mailto:wim.jongman@xxxxxxxxx>>
                                wrote:

                                    *ArduinoEclipse*
                                    *EclipseArduino
                                    *


                                    Arduclipseclino?





                                    On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 8:22
                                    PM, Roberto Lo Giacco
                                    <rlogiacco@xxxxxxxxx
                                    <mailto:rlogiacco@xxxxxxxxx>>
                                    wrote:

                                        *ArduinoEclipse*
                                        *EclipseArduino
                                        *

                                        On Wed, May 18, 2016 at
                                        7:39 PM, Marcelo Limori
                                        <x4j7h32m@xxxxxxxxx
                                        <mailto:x4j7h32m@xxxxxxxxx>>
                                        wrote:

                                            And you didn't see
                                            the list I came up
                                            with. :D

                                            2016-05-18 14:38
                                            GMT-03:00 Jan
                                            Baeyens
                                            <jan@xxxxxxxxxx
                                            <mailto:jan@xxxxxxxxxx>>:

                                                rofl

                                                Sounds like most
                                                names I read are
                                                crap ;-)


                                                Op 18/05/2016 om
                                                19:11 schreef
                                                Marcelo Limori:
                                                Maybe you could
                                                ask on the
                                                Arduino forums.
                                                Or throw a
                                                small contest
                                                perhaps. That
                                                way you get
                                                ideas and
                                                promote the
                                                thing at the
                                                same time.

                                                2016-05-18
                                                12:21 GMT-03:00
                                                Jan Baeyens
                                                <jan@xxxxxxxxxx
                                                <mailto:jan@xxxxxxxxxx>>:

                                                    brilIDE
                                                    (briljant ide)

                                                    Op
                                                    18/05/2016
                                                    om 13:15
                                                    schreef Wim
                                                    Jongman:


                                                    Solide -
                                                    Soldering,
                                                    IDE and
                                                    quality

                                                    On Wed,
                                                    May 18,
                                                    2016 at
                                                    11:11 AM,
                                                    Roberto Lo
                                                    Giacco
                                                    <rlogiacco@xxxxxxxxx
                                                    
<mailto:rlogiacco@xxxxxxxxx>>
                                                    wrote:

                                                        Keep
                                                        throwing
                                                        names
                                                        lads,
                                                        something
                                                        will
                                                        come...

                                                          * Euclide
                                                            (*E*clipse
                                                            for
                                                            *M*icro
                                                            *C*ontro*L*ler
                                                            *IDE*,
                                                            famous
                                                            greek
                                                            mathematician)
                                                          * NitrIDE
                                                            (Nitro
                                                            seemed
                                                            a
                                                            cool
                                                            name,
                                                            banging....)
                                                          * EpoxIDE
                                                            (also
                                                            epoxy
                                                            glue
                                                            has
                                                            somewhat
                                                            to
                                                            do
                                                            with
                                                            makers
                                                            movement....
                                                            let's
                                                            say
                                                            we
                                                            glue
                                                            together
                                                            micro
                                                            controllers
                                                            developement?)
                                                          * Identiality
                                                            (the
                                                            IDE
                                                            for
                                                            people???
                                                            Don't
                                                            know,
                                                            seemed
                                                            cool
                                                            when
                                                            it
                                                            came
                                                            to
                                                            my
                                                            mind)
                                                          * SilicIDE
                                                            (silicon
                                                            devices
                                                            IDE?)
                                                          * BlueIDE
                                                            (blue
                                                            is
                                                            the
                                                            common
                                                            colour
                                                            between
                                                            eclipse
                                                            and
                                                            arduino
                                                            palettes.....?!?
                                                            I
                                                            know,
                                                            it's
                                                            getting
                                                            tough
                                                            even
                                                            to
                                                            explain....)
                                                          * Idetached
                                                            
(..........!?!..............
                                                            don't
                                                            know)
                                                          * Idexterity
                                                            (even
                                                            sillier...
                                                            I
                                                            know,
                                                            I
                                                            know)


                                                        Keep
                                                        them
                                                        flowing....

                                                        On
                                                        Tue,
                                                        May
                                                        17,
                                                        2016
                                                        at
                                                        10:58
                                                        PM,
                                                        Jan
                                                        Baeyens
                                                        <jan@xxxxxxxxxx
                                                        <mailto:jan@xxxxxxxxxx>>
                                                        wrote:

                                                            I
                                                            really
                                                            do
                                                            not
                                                            know
                                                            what
                                                            to
                                                            go
                                                            for
                                                            as
                                                            a
                                                            name.

                                                            it
                                                            is
                                                            one
                                                            of
                                                            these
                                                            (not
                                                            so
                                                            rare)
                                                            things
                                                            I'm
                                                            not
                                                            good
                                                            at.
                                                            I'd
                                                            really
                                                            would
                                                            like
                                                            a
                                                            disicion
                                                            as
                                                            7
                                                            juli
                                                            is
                                                            comming
                                                            closer
                                                            and
                                                            closer.
                                                            But
                                                            I
                                                            don't
                                                            know.

                                                            What
                                                            I
                                                            think:
                                                            It
                                                            is
                                                            a
                                                            good
                                                            idea
                                                            to
                                                            drop
                                                            the
                                                            name
                                                            Arduino
                                                            (think
                                                            about
                                                            Arduino
                                                            and
                                                            Genuino)
                                                            A
                                                            proper
                                                            name
                                                            (not
                                                            a
                                                            descriptive
                                                            text)
                                                            is
                                                            the
                                                            way
                                                            to go.

                                                            My
                                                            brainstorm
                                                            gets
                                                            to

                                                            futide
                                                            (resistance
                                                            is
                                                            futile
                                                            and
                                                            then
                                                            ide)

                                                            wromjai
                                                            (mix
                                                            of
                                                            ja
                                                            wi
                                                            ro
                                                            ma )
                                                            SeePeePeeMCUIDE
                                                            (cpp
                                                            mcu
                                                            ide)
                                                            trueWholeIDE
                                                            (from
                                                            through
                                                            hole
                                                            ide)

                                                            CUICIDE
                                                            (in
                                                            use
                                                            :-( )
                                                            picolide
                                                            (seem
                                                            to
                                                            be
                                                            some
                                                            chemical)
                                                            picoide
                                                            (pico
                                                            seems
                                                            to
                                                            be
                                                            a
                                                            programming
                                                            language
                                                            so
                                                            picoide
                                                            exists)
                                                            jawiro
                                                            (jan
                                                            wim
                                                            roberto
                                                            :-(
                                                            already
                                                            in
                                                            use)


                                                            Op
                                                            15/05/2016
                                                            om
                                                            17:27
                                                            schreef
                                                            Roberto
                                                            Lo
                                                            Giacco:
                                                            Little
                                                            reminder
                                                            about
                                                            Eclipse
                                                            name
                                                            usage
                                                            rules
                                                            
https://eclipse.org/legal/logo_guidelines.php#ProperEclipse

                                                            Actually
                                                            I
                                                            believe
                                                            the
                                                            correct
                                                            naming,
                                                            if
                                                            we
                                                            wish
                                                            to
                                                            go
                                                            for
                                                            the
                                                            /edition/ thing
                                                            would
                                                            be
                                                            Arduino
                                                            IDE,
                                                            Eclipse
                                                            Edition
                                                            (note
                                                            the
                                                            comma)
                                                            which
                                                            makes
                                                            us
                                                            infringe/collide
                                                            with
                                                            the
                                                            Arduino
                                                            IDE...

                                                            Let's
                                                            brainstorm
                                                            this,
                                                            shall
                                                            we?

                                                            We
                                                            are
                                                            here
                                                            talking
                                                            about
                                                            a
                                                            microcontroller
                                                            development
                                                            environment,
                                                            based
                                                            on
                                                            eclipse
                                                            which
                                                            includes
                                                            parts
                                                            of
                                                            the
                                                            Arduino
                                                            software
                                                            platform,
                                                            but
                                                            goes
                                                            further
                                                            than
                                                            just
                                                            Arduino
                                                            micros.

                                                              * µIDE (with µ 
being the greek letter for micro... hard to represent in non UTF8 contexts, it 
would become uIDE)
                                                              * microDEV (is 
this somewhat pretentious?)
                                                              * AISA (Ambiente 
Integrato di Sviluppo per Arduino, italian for Arduino IDE)
                                                              * Beyond IDE 
(meaning beyond Arduino and Eclipse)
                                                              * Avatar (I 
actually don't know why)
                                                              * Pathfinder 
(well, they use Mars, this was the name of the most known probe landing on 
mars.... probably better used as codename for one of our releases)
                                                              * Aride (ARduino 
IDE, in Italian it means /arid/, plural and feminine)

                                                            I
                                                            know,
                                                            many
                                                            of
                                                            the
                                                            above
                                                            are
                                                            pretty
                                                            shit,
                                                            but
                                                            if
                                                            we
                                                            go
                                                            for
                                                            brainstorming
                                                            we
                                                            should
                                                            not
                                                            be
                                                            ashamed
                                                            of
                                                            the
                                                            shittiest
                                                            ideas
                                                            ever,
                                                            right?
                                                            :-)

                                                            Roberto



                                                            On
                                                            Sun,
                                                            May
                                                            15,
                                                            2016
                                                            at
                                                            1:51
                                                            PM,
                                                            Jan
                                                            Baeyens
                                                            <jan@xxxxxxxxxx
                                                            
<mailto:jan@xxxxxxxxxx>>
                                                            wrote:

                                                                Marcelo

                                                                Please don't 
pardon :-)

                                                                There has been 
quite some discussion about the name yet. Here is some history for you.

                                                                Historically it has been 
named "Arduino Eclipse Plugin" as it used to be only a plugin and because 
nobody bothered as we never realized it would ever be as big as it is today.

                                                                Then Wim added the product. Which 
makes the name "Arduino Eclipse Plugin" "no longer to covers the cargo" (sorry 
don't know the Englsh expression)

                                                                Then there is 
the casing (which -at simple request of Wim ;-) - I will not cover)

                                                                During the 
discussion with Eclipse legal it was mentioned that the name might not be 
confirm trademark ruling. Basically legal advises to make our own name product 
name.

                                                                Legally Eclipse allows "eclipse 
edition" and Arduino does not really specify what is allowed for software. But for boards "for 
Arduino" is allowed but "XXX Arduino" is not.

                                                                IMHO "Eclipse for C++" is actually CDT which 
stands for "C++ development tools" like JDT stands for "Java development tools". In that trend we 
could call it ADT "Arduino Development tools" or MDT (MCU) or IDT (iot).

                                                                Personally I do 
not really like this 3 letter abbreviation words. But I'm democratic guy ....

                                                                One of the reasons I like "Arduino IDE eclipse edition" (but I am 
not crazy about it) is that we could make "IDE" and "edition" really small (far smaller that you have made them on the 
splash) so it still looks like "Arduino eclipse" as on the current splash. So that would make the official name "Arduino IDE 
eclipse edition", "Arduino Eclipse" in short.

                                                                I think these 
are the headline of the current name discussion

                                                                Best regards

                                                                Jantje


                                                                On 14-05-16 
19:22, Marcelo Limori wrote:
                                                                Pardon the 
interruption, but wouldn't be more logical Eclipse Arduino Edition? You don't 
have C++ Eclipse Edition, you have Eclipse for C++.

                                                                2016-05-14 6:08 GMT-03:00 
Wim Jongman <wim.jongman@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:wim.jongman@xxxxxxxxx>>:

                                                                    LMAO(BW)

                                                                    On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 
12:20 AM, Jan Baeyens <jan@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jan@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

                                                                        ROFL

                                                                        Yes sir




























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