No. Just shift and the down arrow key. Omar Binno www.omarbinno.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Topdog To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 8:27 PM Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Sonar Help So I'm confused as to how to use these keys. do I hold down shift plus num pad 2, with num lock off, then press regular down arrow to get to the bus pain? And shift num pad eight with regular up arrow to return to the track pain?