[cryptome] Re: Do you suppose comments like this will get me on a government watchlist?

  • From: Gary Wallin <garylwallin@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 10:38:12 -0500

I'm not talking about things from bad movies. The only weapon I own is an actual Jawbone of An Ass that I learned about from the words of one of the dead gods. But we live in an age where mail carriers can land on White House property, and drones can make big money for paparazzi gathering celebrity photographs.

Real tools for makers and hackers are readily available. If our government doesn't act responsibly, we have the basic human right to take matters into our own hands. That's what this nation did in 1776 when we told the King where to put his flag.

Since the nation is too gridlocked to even think about issues, taking down one of the symbols used to maintain the status quo might make people begin to think and question what is really happening. The cost of hacking this flag are even lower than the costs the government pays in watching this list. I would prefer that reason and critical thinking prevail; but our Federal Government has already killed many innocents with it's drones and it's insistance on arming the whole world. And our local police departments turn a blind eye to momentary lapses of lethal racism. We don't have to emulate their terrorism, but we can re-purpose some of their tools into non-lethal means that encourage real change. We can turn their words into satire. And we can turn their symbols into ashes. It is worth debating.

On 6/22/2015 10:07 AM, Shelley wrote:

On June 22, 2015 7:29:03 AM Gary Wallin <garylwallin@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

"Do you suppose comments like this will get me on a[nother] government watchlist?"

Fixed that for you ;)

A Call for Debate: Should the South Carolina Confederate flag be hacked?

I think burning a flag in protest is still legal in this country, but IANAL. Someone please correct that if I'm wrong. Maybe that right of protest was executively signed away and made a drone-able offense. One never knows, since everything is a secret (until it's not.)

We all have access to modified drones, high power lasers, and
other equipment that could fix this flag.

We do? You've either been watching too many bad movies, kid... or your effort has failed, agent. Heh.

As amusing/satisfying as it might be, taking out a symbol isn't going to change the underlying mindset of the particular populace that embraces it. That is the real challenge.

If you "hack" it, they'll just put up a new one and you may end up in some Deliverance prison. Making them *want* to take it down because they understand the hurt that runs deep from the ideas it represents? That is the real skill, grasshopper.


I'm basically a freedom loving person, especially when it comes to
freedom of thought and freedom of expression. I don't have a problem
with an individual thoughts and expressions. But I get upset when their
actions are harmful.

As far as I'm concerned, if someone wants to fly a Confederate Flag, a
Nazi Flag, or even the modern American Imperial Flag (I personally
prefer the old Betsy Ross flag of 1776 when this county was fighting
against imperialism and not actively practicing it), that’s fine with
me. The kinds of flags people choose to fly gives my semi-autistic
neurons a heads-up on what potential values and interactions I might
have with them.

But I do have a problem when States and Government impose flags on me. I
think I should be able to choose the flag that represents my values. I
can understand why many people in South Carolina would object to a flag
that stands not only for heritage, but often for hate and racism. There
are many people in South Carolina who choose not to personally fly this
flag. But the State imposes it on them. If Governor Haley wants to fly
her own personal Confederate Flag, that’s fine with me. But when she
imposes it as representing the consensus of the people of her State, she
has gone to far.

Fortunately, there is something that can be done about this problem. The
flag can be hacked.

As makers and hackers know, it is possible to take out flags with simple
tools. We all have access to modified drones, high power lasers, and
other equipment that could fix this flag. People of good will could
simply take out this ugly symbol with a bit of skilled making and
hacking. No human being needs to be harmed or injured during the
process. The question is, should we? Maybe reason will prevail, and it
will come down by government decision making. Maybe not?

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