Re: DRE: CTS community mail

  • From: Di Lhong <geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 14:00:37 +0200

df+2 is punishable? i thought it was safe...

df+1 should at least track one side.

I remember d+1 tracking very decently. You might need to realign yourself a
bit. Not as much as Lili...She has to sideWALK to realign her moves...

Paul is not meant to be played rush down. He's actually quiet a defensive
character. He got nice wiff punishment, punishment on block that does
damage and knd.

Rush down character would be like Jaycee. She doesn't have plus frames on
block with her elbow and shotgun. But her moveset makes it possible for her
to play rushdown.

Characters with good punishment are usually meant to be played defensively.
You block and punish. Characters with bad punishment are meant to play
whatever unique way they're built. Capos = mix up. Jaycee = rushdown.
Xiaoyu = pokes/rushdown. They are exceptions like Lars who has
everything-ish. But his lows are pretty short range so his rushdown isn't
that great either. Poke and punish is better suited for Lars. Rushdown lars
with his dash is for noobs.

On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>  Paul’s d+1 doesn’t track all that well. Generally you are forced to use
> it because it’s his only fast-ish mid. He doesn’t have a generic df+1. You
> have df+2 at 15f, but that’s punishable.
>
> Meh, as Steve said, we’ve had these discussions before and they go round
> and round. Paul doesn’t need better tracking. He’s got his good punishment,
> nice wall game and good mid range moves. What he lacks is tracking or any
> sort of plus on block/ rush down game. If they give those to him, well then
> he jumps a bit in the tier list. Would I like those added? Sure. Is it a
> major issue not having them? Not really.
>
>
>
> Lei doesn’t need trackers. He has enough other tools. Are they good enough
> to make him top tier? Hell no. Is he still playable? Sure.
>
>
>
> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> *On Behalf Of *Di Lhong
> *Sent:* 19 February 2015 1:44 PM
> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>
>
>
> Paul's d+1 tracks really well. He also have a generic db+4.
>
> Sure it's not as damaging as some homing move. But they're pokes that is
> fast and stops your opponent from walking around freely. And on hit, it
> puts you back to "your" game. Instead of defending and waiting to land a
> b+2 homing.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>  what does paul get off his Tracker on hit/CH?
>
> I think Lei's is 1f slower(24f) with absolutely zero reward because he is
> forced to taunt.
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>
> From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:35:24 +0000
>
>
>
> Sure, while you’re at it, why not give Paul a tracker that’s under 25f as
> well.
>
>
>
> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> *On Behalf Of *Wynand-Ben
> *Sent:* 19 February 2015 1:33 PM
> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* RE: DRE: CTS community mail
>
>
>
> Or make 1+2 track.
>
> Its high so can be ducked and stuff
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>
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:27:31 +0200
> Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail
> From: geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Without ff+3...Lei has df+3 which is bad...especially on hit XD
>
> If they just make ff+3 a homing move, i wouldn't mind that. It's the fact
> it's not and we keep thinking we can step it...
>
> If they make Lei like Brad Wong. I'm quitting. That drunken BS is too
> fluid with no space for interruption between stance transition.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>  Dude ff+3 has stupid tracking.
>
> Lei will track fine without it doing both sides track.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 19 February 2015 at 13:21, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>  Lei's options getting stepped is already his a major weakness he has.
>
> He cant punish stepping properly and his trackers are ass.
>
> Its not even like ff+3 tracks properly either(And im fairly sure its only
> to one side).  Cant decide to ff+3 because I think the opponent is going to
> step.
>
> Lei is no better gameplay wise than he was in T6.  His damage boost is the
> only reason hes considered High in TTT2.
>
> Nerfing his tracking is the very last thing Lei needs.
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>
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:14:29 +0200
> Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail
> From: gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
> I would just make ff+3 a bit more linear ~ able to walk it to one side or
> something.
>
> Most of the tier list I've seen for TTT2 put him quite high.
>
>
>
> ...............There is nothing new we could discuss about Lei, we always
> bitch about him.
>
>
>
> On 19 February 2015 at 11:45, Donaldson, Alasdair <
> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>  Spam raisin rush. You don’t need anything else.
>
> I wonder what they’ve done about Lei’s combo damage. Just that isn’t
> enough to help a character. Hwo always has high combo damage, but lacks the
> other tools to make him top tier. Lei, however, also has good punishment
> and average pokes.
>
> Got to say that I don’t think Lei is a particularly low character. I’d put
> him happily mid – probably below Paul though.
>
>
> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> *On Behalf Of *Wynand-Ben
> *Sent:* 19 February 2015 11:38 AM
>
>
> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* RE: DRE: CTS community mail
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>
>
>
>
> lol
>
> They could...  but then hes going to need major buffs in order to compete.
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> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:34:12 +0200
> Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail
> From: geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Remove ff+3.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>  His "poking" and non gimmicky stance game is not great.  If you remove
> the shenanigans hes a below average character.
>
> So if they remove half his moves.  Ie less gimmicks he needs stronger
> tools to play a more normal game.
>
>
> He got a big damage buff in TTT2 but they didnt fix any of the core
> problems with his moves sadly.
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>
> From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:25:30 +0000
>
>
>
> Lei needs buffs? LOL!
> Good one Paas. I need that.
>
>
> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> *On Behalf Of *Wynand-Ben
> *Sent:* 19 February 2015 11:12 AM
> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* RE: DRE: CTS community mail
>
>
>
> They could pretty much dump half of Lei's movelist but then they would
> have to buff the rest of his stuff.
>
> Currently he has boatload of very situational moves combined with some
> that are just straight up bad.
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>
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:02:06 +0200
> Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail
> From: geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Lei and Capo lolz They need to remove some of their stuff and update them
> properly.
>
> Zafina might have a large move list. But all her moves are decent and
> useful.
>
> I wouldn't mind if they do a total revamp like they did for SC5. Maybe the
> series needs it. But keep some of the original cast and strong point of
> Tekken.
>
> Lucky Chloe moves are basically Capo Light. The same but doesn't knockdown
> lolz. She have a slippery kick that doesn't knock down and looks punishable
> as hell. On hit doesn't stagger or give much frames either T_T
>
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