Re: DRE: CTS community mail

  • From: Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 16:24:54 +0200

The problem now is that the number of people that are going to be displaced
is of a few orders of magnitudes higher than during the Industrial
Revolution.  New York has around 50000 licensed taxi drivers.  I don't
think it had 1/10th as many horse and cart operators when automobiles were
invented.

On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>  The same idea as the industrial revolution – how can people possibly
> survive the automation of jobs?
>
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> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> *On Behalf Of *Ilitirit Sama
> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 4:07 PM
>
> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>
>
>
> Sometimes the biggest problems are introduced by things that even the most
> well-meaning people want.  Or by stuff that you *think* is good (eg.
> globalisation -> cheaper food -> higher rates of heart disease etc ad
> nauseam).
>
>
>
> Consider the advent of driver-less cars.  It's estimated that it will have
> an even bigger impact on the world than the revolution from horse and cart
> to automobile, for the simple fact that there are more of us around now.
> We are already seeing the effects in the Shipping and Mining industries,
> where menial tasks like driving from point A to point B for 8 hours a day
> are now automated by driverless vehicles.  Scania is preparing to release a
> fleet of driverless transport trucks within a few years.  Google and Uber
> are preparing driverless taxi fleets.  In the US alone, Public Transport
> employs around 500k people, and comprises of around 5000 companies at a
> rate of 1.3% growth per year.  That excludes private companies, and taxis.
> Let's not even consider China or India...
>
>
>
> Once driverless vehicles become the norm, what's going to happen to people
> in the transport industry?  Hundreds of millions will be put out of work
> around the world.  Do we have the capability to deal with that?  Certainly
> not.
>
>
>
> And this is just the transport industry.  Automation in other areas also
> has the potential for displacing millions of people out of the workplace.
> Good?  Bad?  Who can say.
>
>
>
> What I do know that if they start inventing FGs that play themselves I'm
> going to move to Mars.
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> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>  Sure, more people need more things. But more people also means more
> things being produced.
>
>
>
> You’re looking at this from the wrong perspective. You have European
> countries where they’ve hit their plateau and they’ve got steady
> populations. Everyone there is happy and fed and the economies are okay. On
> the flip side you have Africa. We’re a developing continent. We have higher
> population growth, but we also need that to sustain the growth of our
> economies. It’s not always an easy route and supply will outstrip demand
> from time to time, but it’s not something that is fixed with population
> control.
>
>
>
> I’m all for less humans because I think the destruction of animal’s
> natural habitat is bad because animals are cool.
>
>
>
> What exactly are the major problems facing the human race right now?
> Starvation? No. We have enough food. Disease? No. Lack of natural
> resources? No. War? Maybe, but generally the technological advances from
> war outweigh the loss of human life. Sad fact, but true.
>
>
>
> What exactly are you concerned about in terms of overpopulation? I’m still
> failing to see where the world is falling apart that it needs a major
> culling?
>
>
>
> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> *On Behalf Of *Stephen Scheidel
> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 3:28 PM
> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>
>
>
> What?
>
> You do realize that you need more things for more people right ?
>
> Less people ~ less things needed.
>
> Population control doesn't have to be approached like china or whatever.
>
> People just need to realize that they should replace themselves, not
> multiply like crazy.
>
> But then you get into the whole "don't tell me how many kids I can have"
> thing.
>
>
>
> Conclusion I've come to when talking about this issue is that most people
> would rather have a big family over a sustainable environment.
>
> And when you try to talk the about conservation for the future they
> completely disregard it as someone else's problem.
>
>
>
> Basically Stu hates Earth.
>
>
>
> On 16 February 2015 at 15:19, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>  Countries with stable populations usually have stable economies or
> whatever it is that allows them to be be happy.
>
> I know the tax in most of these countries is very very high but it's fine
> because everyone receiving is also paying.
>
>
>
>
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> On 16 February 2015 at 15:15, sameegh jardine <sameegh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>  I tend to agree - I think the bigger issue has got to do with resource
> distribution. People tend to want more than what they really need.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>  Huh?
>
> Too many for what? There is enough space for people to live, more than
> enough food for the whole planet.
>
> Sure there are lots of issues in the world but overpopulation isn’t
> actually one of them.
>
>
>
> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> *On Behalf Of *Stephen Scheidel
> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 3:00 PM
>
>
> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>
>
>
> Almost every problem we have as people here on on earth is that there are
> just too many of us.
>
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> On 16 February 2015 at 14:57, Nicholas Robertson-Muir <nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> Just wrote 4 paragraphs of my thoughts on racism and then deleted it.
>
> Fuck politics.
>
> On 16 Feb 2015 14:49, "Ashraf Barendse" <ashraf.barendse@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>   Damn Japs, why they gotta be racist. Slanty-eyed rice eaters.
>
> :P
>
> HBD Jag.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Di Lhong <geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>  Yeah. It's not they discriminate and treat you differently. If you're
> whatever race and you go to japan. They treat you nicely. It's just the
> idea of sharing their environment with people they don't know or foreigners.
>
>
>
> Also a lot of issue started when Japan allowed thailand to travel to japan
> by getting a tourist visa on arrival...A LOT of illegal immigrants went in
> to Japan. I think at least 6,000 in the first 3 months. And the thai
> tourist are very loud and dirty...throwing shit everywhere, not lining up,
> etc. Fuelling the japanese xenophobia even more.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>  Well there is a difference between pride and hating others.
>
> I get what Di is saying though ~ basically it's not so much that they hate
> other people (they obviously do to some extent) but more that they just
> want to be around their own kind.
>
>
>
> On 16 February 2015 at 14:36, Donaldson, Alasdair <
> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>  Pride?
>
> It’s not pride behind racism. It’s hate.
>
>
>
> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> *On Behalf Of *Di Lhong
> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 2:31 PM
>
>
> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>
>
>
> Well, asians are pretty racist and xenophobic...so i'm not too surprise
> they wrote something like that. They're pretty racist and xenophobic among
> themselves too. Chinese vs Japanese. Thai vs everyone else. Etc. Too much
> pride in their own race and country.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>  I think it was on some comedy show I was watching where the guy covers
> some similar stuff.
>
> Some old sports team owner was caught saying something racist and there
> was a big stink.
>
> What the fuck do they expect ? the parents of Americans who are 80+ now
> where the generation that finished off the Native american holocaust ffs.
>
>
>
> It just sucks when these old geezers still have some power in the world
> and you can't just wheel them down the hallway like crazy old grandma.
>
>
>
> On 16 February 2015 at 14:21, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>  Forced segregation is a shit idea and never works.
>
> I hope nobody is too surprised by this Japanese womans' ideas.
>
> Keep in mind she was 8 years old when the Americans dropped the bombs on
> them.
>
> She is 83 now.
>
> To expect anything but racism and xenophobia out of her is a bit much.
>
>
>
> It's all super wrong but we just shouldn't be surprised.
>
>
>
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> On 16 February 2015 at 14:08, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
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>  HBD Jagson.
>
>
>
> On 16 February 2015 at 13:46, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Yeah, read about this earlier. How fucked up can you get.
>
> On 16 Feb 2015 13:04, "Manase Zote" <bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Japan please...
>
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/11414141/Japanese-author-provokes-furious-South-African-response-by-suggesting-a-new-apartheid.html
>
> On 16 Feb 2015 12:53, "Moshe Shevel" <jaguguarang@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Haha thanks guys :)
>
> On 16 Feb 2015 12:47 PM, "Sameegh Jardine" <sameegh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>  Happy Birthday Jag, hope you have an awesome one :]
>
>
> On 16 Feb 2015, at 12:41 PM, "Donaldson, Alasdair" <
> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>  Oh, nice one Ilit. You couldn’t have posted that first thing this
> morning, could you? So we’re now all the schmucks who didn’t realise it was
> his birthday.
>
>
>
> In other news, HDB Jag.
>
>
>
> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On Behalf Of *Ilitirit Sama
> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 12:37 PM
> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>
>
>
> HBD Jag!
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