RE: DRE: CTS community mail

  • From: "Donaldson, Alasdair" <alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 14:17:10 +0000

The same idea as the industrial revolution – how can people possibly survive 
the automation of jobs?

From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Ilitirit Sama
Sent: 16 February 2015 4:07 PM
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail

Sometimes the biggest problems are introduced by things that even the most 
well-meaning people want.  Or by stuff that you *think* is good (eg. 
globalisation -> cheaper food -> higher rates of heart disease etc ad nauseam).

Consider the advent of driver-less cars.  It's estimated that it will have an 
even bigger impact on the world than the revolution from horse and cart to 
automobile, for the simple fact that there are more of us around now.  We are 
already seeing the effects in the Shipping and Mining industries, where menial 
tasks like driving from point A to point B for 8 hours a day are now automated 
by driverless vehicles.  Scania is preparing to release a fleet of driverless 
transport trucks within a few years.  Google and Uber are preparing driverless 
taxi fleets.  In the US alone, Public Transport employs around 500k people, and 
comprises of around 5000 companies at a rate of 1.3% growth per year.  That 
excludes private companies, and taxis.  Let's not even consider China or 
India...

Once driverless vehicles become the norm, what's going to happen to people in 
the transport industry?  Hundreds of millions will be put out of work around 
the world.  Do we have the capability to deal with that?  Certainly not.

And this is just the transport industry.  Automation in other areas also has 
the potential for displacing millions of people out of the workplace.  Good?  
Bad?  Who can say.

What I do know that if they start inventing FGs that play themselves I'm going 
to move to Mars.



On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair 
<alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Sure, more people need more things. But more people also means more things 
being produced.

You’re looking at this from the wrong perspective. You have European countries 
where they’ve hit their plateau and they’ve got steady populations. Everyone 
there is happy and fed and the economies are okay. On the flip side you have 
Africa. We’re a developing continent. We have higher population growth, but we 
also need that to sustain the growth of our economies. It’s not always an easy 
route and supply will outstrip demand from time to time, but it’s not something 
that is fixed with population control.

I’m all for less humans because I think the destruction of animal’s natural 
habitat is bad because animals are cool.

What exactly are the major problems facing the human race right now? 
Starvation? No. We have enough food. Disease? No. Lack of natural resources? 
No. War? Maybe, but generally the technological advances from war outweigh the 
loss of human life. Sad fact, but true.

What exactly are you concerned about in terms of overpopulation? I’m still 
failing to see where the world is falling apart that it needs a major culling?

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[mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On 
Behalf Of Stephen Scheidel
Sent: 16 February 2015 3:28 PM
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail

What?
You do realize that you need more things for more people right ?
Less people ~ less things needed.
Population control doesn't have to be approached like china or whatever.
People just need to realize that they should replace themselves, not multiply 
like crazy.
But then you get into the whole "don't tell me how many kids I can have" thing.

Conclusion I've come to when talking about this issue is that most people would 
rather have a big family over a sustainable environment.
And when you try to talk the about conservation for the future they completely 
disregard it as someone else's problem.

Basically Stu hates Earth.

On 16 February 2015 at 15:19, Stephen Scheidel 
<gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Countries with stable populations usually have stable economies or whatever it 
is that allows them to be be happy.
I know the tax in most of these countries is very very high but it's fine 
because everyone receiving is also paying.


On 16 February 2015 at 15:15, sameegh jardine 
<sameegh@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:sameegh@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I tend to agree - I think the bigger issue has got to do with resource 
distribution. People tend to want more than what they really need.

On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair 
<alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Huh?
Too many for what? There is enough space for people to live, more than enough 
food for the whole planet.
Sure there are lots of issues in the world but overpopulation isn’t actually 
one of them.

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[mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On 
Behalf Of Stephen Scheidel
Sent: 16 February 2015 3:00 PM

To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail

Almost every problem we have as people here on on earth is that there are just 
too many of us.


On 16 February 2015 at 14:57, Nicholas Robertson-Muir 
<nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

Just wrote 4 paragraphs of my thoughts on racism and then deleted it.

Fuck politics.
On 16 Feb 2015 14:49, "Ashraf Barendse" 
<ashraf.barendse@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ashraf.barendse@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Damn Japs, why they gotta be racist. Slanty-eyed rice eaters.
:P
HBD Jag.

On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Di Lhong 
<geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Yeah. It's not they discriminate and treat you differently. If you're whatever 
race and you go to japan. They treat you nicely. It's just the idea of sharing 
their environment with people they don't know or foreigners.

Also a lot of issue started when Japan allowed thailand to travel to japan by 
getting a tourist visa on arrival...A LOT of illegal immigrants went in to 
Japan. I think at least 6,000 in the first 3 months. And the thai tourist are 
very loud and dirty...throwing shit everywhere, not lining up, etc. Fuelling 
the japanese xenophobia even more.

On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Stephen Scheidel 
<gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Well there is a difference between pride and hating others.
I get what Di is saying though ~ basically it's not so much that they hate 
other people (they obviously do to some extent) but more that they just want to 
be around their own kind.

On 16 February 2015 at 14:36, Donaldson, Alasdair 
<alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Pride?
It’s not pride behind racism. It’s hate.

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[mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On 
Behalf Of Di Lhong
Sent: 16 February 2015 2:31 PM

To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail

Well, asians are pretty racist and xenophobic...so i'm not too surprise they 
wrote something like that. They're pretty racist and xenophobic among 
themselves too. Chinese vs Japanese. Thai vs everyone else. Etc. Too much pride 
in their own race and country.

On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Stephen Scheidel 
<gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I think it was on some comedy show I was watching where the guy covers some 
similar stuff.
Some old sports team owner was caught saying something racist and there was a 
big stink.
What the fuck do they expect ? the parents of Americans who are 80+ now where 
the generation that finished off the Native american holocaust ffs.

It just sucks when these old geezers still have some power in the world and you 
can't just wheel them down the hallway like crazy old grandma.

On 16 February 2015 at 14:21, Stephen Scheidel 
<gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Forced segregation is a shit idea and never works.
I hope nobody is too surprised by this Japanese womans' ideas.
Keep in mind she was 8 years old when the Americans dropped the bombs on them.
She is 83 now.
To expect anything but racism and xenophobia out of her is a bit much.

It's all super wrong but we just shouldn't be surprised.


On 16 February 2015 at 14:08, Stephen Scheidel 
<gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
HBD Jagson.

On 16 February 2015 at 13:46, Ryan Williams 
<ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

Yeah, read about this earlier. How fucked up can you get.
On 16 Feb 2015 13:04, "Manase Zote" 
<bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

Japan please...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/11414141/Japanese-author-provokes-furious-South-African-response-by-suggesting-a-new-apartheid.html
On 16 Feb 2015 12:53, "Moshe Shevel" 
<jaguguarang@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:jaguguarang@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

Haha thanks guys :)
On 16 Feb 2015 12:47 PM, "Sameegh Jardine" 
<sameegh@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:sameegh@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Happy Birthday Jag, hope you have an awesome one :]

On 16 Feb 2015, at 12:41 PM, "Donaldson, Alasdair" 
<alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Oh, nice one Ilit. You couldn’t have posted that first thing this morning, 
could you? So we’re now all the schmucks who didn’t realise it was his birthday.

In other news, HDB Jag.

From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
[mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ilitirit Sama
Sent: 16 February 2015 12:37 PM
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail

HBD Jag!
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