Re: DRE: CTS community mail

  • From: Di Lhong <geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 16:11:18 +0200

Animals going extinct comes down to many defining factors. It's not only
from pollution. Just the fact we're here on earth contributes to animal's
population. We don't really "adapt" to the surrounding, we introduce our
ecosystem to nature itself. Which 1) does exterminate some species 2)
introduce new species of animals which completely takes over the old
species that used to rule the area...so it's a chain effect.

Eg. Otter death toll from sharks used to be only 8% but now it's more than
30% because seals are moving closer to human territory (where there's kelp)
for food and protection. People feeding seals = seals living closer to
otter territory = sharks hunting in shallow waters and mistaking otters for
seals (otters aren't sharks normal diet because they have stink glands so
they taste bad to sharks). Also with fishing boats (fish guts and bacteria)
and polluted water, this introduce bacteria which cause otters to get
infected and develop septic shocks...which emits injured animal electro
magnetic pulse...which attracts sharks.

TL;DR - just because humans are here, it effects the ecosystem
automatically. Not including pollution or agriculture.

On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 4:01 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>  We’re nowhere near the maximum carrying capacity of the planet.
>
> What I don’t get is why you think a growing population on the planet is a
> problem. We don’t have a resource shortage. That’s our only limiting factor.
>
>
>
> I get that pollution is bad. Air and water could be cleaner. Animals could
> not be endangered (although this not always down to land space, a lot of it
> is). Eventually we have wiped out all animal species. We’ll also have the
> tech to bring them all back. We’re a stupidly adaptive and smart species.
>
>
>
> You also seem to think that population growth is an exponential growth.
> It’s not.
>
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> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> *On Behalf Of *Stephen Scheidel
> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 3:52 PM
>
> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>
>
>
> I just don't get how Stu seems to think we can just keep on multiplying
> and everything will be fine.
>
> Come on Stu.
>
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> On 16 February 2015 at 15:51, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
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>  Yeah a middle ground understanding sounds good.
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> On 16 February 2015 at 15:47, sameegh jardine <sameegh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>  lol, I hear you. I think there's a happy compromise somewhere in the
> middle of all of this though.
>
>
>
> If people simply consumed less one wouldn't need to cut down the
> population. It's easier to adjust your lifestyle than it is to play with
> population sizes I'd think. Also, even if you cut down the population in
> terms of size, what's to stop the remaining population from simply wanting
> even more?
>
>
>
> My wife and I share a meal at Burger King. We literally cut the thing in
> half. I'm not saying everyone needs to share their burgers but my point is
> that one meal fills both of us sufficiently. People tend to base how much
> they eat on what size their meal comes in and tend to overestimate how much
> the really need :P
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>  What?
>
> You do realize that you need more things for more people right ?
>
> Less people ~ less things needed.
>
> Population control doesn't have to be approached like china or whatever.
>
> People just need to realize that they should replace themselves, not
> multiply like crazy.
>
> But then you get into the whole "don't tell me how many kids I can have"
> thing.
>
>
>
> Conclusion I've come to when talking about this issue is that most people
> would rather have a big family over a sustainable environment.
>
> And when you try to talk the about conservation for the future they
> completely disregard it as someone else's problem.
>
>
>
> Basically Stu hates Earth.
>
>
>
> On 16 February 2015 at 15:19, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>  Countries with stable populations usually have stable economies or
> whatever it is that allows them to be be happy.
>
> I know the tax in most of these countries is very very high but it's fine
> because everyone receiving is also paying.
>
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> On 16 February 2015 at 15:15, sameegh jardine <sameegh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>  I tend to agree - I think the bigger issue has got to do with resource
> distribution. People tend to want more than what they really need.
>
>
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> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>  Huh?
>
> Too many for what? There is enough space for people to live, more than
> enough food for the whole planet.
>
> Sure there are lots of issues in the world but overpopulation isn’t
> actually one of them.
>
>
>
> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> *On Behalf Of *Stephen Scheidel
> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 3:00 PM
>
>
> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>
>
>
> Almost every problem we have as people here on on earth is that there are
> just too many of us.
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> On 16 February 2015 at 14:57, Nicholas Robertson-Muir <nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> Just wrote 4 paragraphs of my thoughts on racism and then deleted it.
>
> Fuck politics.
>
> On 16 Feb 2015 14:49, "Ashraf Barendse" <ashraf.barendse@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>   Damn Japs, why they gotta be racist. Slanty-eyed rice eaters.
>
> :P
>
> HBD Jag.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Di Lhong <geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>  Yeah. It's not they discriminate and treat you differently. If you're
> whatever race and you go to japan. They treat you nicely. It's just the
> idea of sharing their environment with people they don't know or foreigners.
>
>
>
> Also a lot of issue started when Japan allowed thailand to travel to japan
> by getting a tourist visa on arrival...A LOT of illegal immigrants went in
> to Japan. I think at least 6,000 in the first 3 months. And the thai
> tourist are very loud and dirty...throwing shit everywhere, not lining up,
> etc. Fuelling the japanese xenophobia even more.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
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>  Well there is a difference between pride and hating others.
>
> I get what Di is saying though ~ basically it's not so much that they hate
> other people (they obviously do to some extent) but more that they just
> want to be around their own kind.
>
>
>
> On 16 February 2015 at 14:36, Donaldson, Alasdair <
> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>  Pride?
>
> It’s not pride behind racism. It’s hate.
>
>
>
> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> *On Behalf Of *Di Lhong
> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 2:31 PM
>
>
> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>
>
>
> Well, asians are pretty racist and xenophobic...so i'm not too surprise
> they wrote something like that. They're pretty racist and xenophobic among
> themselves too. Chinese vs Japanese. Thai vs everyone else. Etc. Too much
> pride in their own race and country.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>  I think it was on some comedy show I was watching where the guy covers
> some similar stuff.
>
> Some old sports team owner was caught saying something racist and there
> was a big stink.
>
> What the fuck do they expect ? the parents of Americans who are 80+ now
> where the generation that finished off the Native american holocaust ffs.
>
>
>
> It just sucks when these old geezers still have some power in the world
> and you can't just wheel them down the hallway like crazy old grandma.
>
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> On 16 February 2015 at 14:21, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
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>  Forced segregation is a shit idea and never works.
>
> I hope nobody is too surprised by this Japanese womans' ideas.
>
> Keep in mind she was 8 years old when the Americans dropped the bombs on
> them.
>
> She is 83 now.
>
> To expect anything but racism and xenophobia out of her is a bit much.
>
>
>
> It's all super wrong but we just shouldn't be surprised.
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> On 16 February 2015 at 14:08, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
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>  HBD Jagson.
>
>
>
> On 16 February 2015 at 13:46, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Yeah, read about this earlier. How fucked up can you get.
>
> On 16 Feb 2015 13:04, "Manase Zote" <bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Japan please...
>
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/11414141/Japanese-author-provokes-furious-South-African-response-by-suggesting-a-new-apartheid.html
>
> On 16 Feb 2015 12:53, "Moshe Shevel" <jaguguarang@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Haha thanks guys :)
>
> On 16 Feb 2015 12:47 PM, "Sameegh Jardine" <sameegh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>  Happy Birthday Jag, hope you have an awesome one :]
>
>
> On 16 Feb 2015, at 12:41 PM, "Donaldson, Alasdair" <
> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>  Oh, nice one Ilit. You couldn’t have posted that first thing this
> morning, could you? So we’re now all the schmucks who didn’t realise it was
> his birthday.
>
>
>
> In other news, HDB Jag.
>
>
>
> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On Behalf Of *Ilitirit Sama
> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 12:37 PM
> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>
>
>
> HBD Jag!
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