On 16 February 2015 at 16:01, Donaldson, Alasdair < alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > We’re nowhere near the maximum carrying capacity of the planet. > > What I don’t get is why you think a growing population on the planet is a > problem. We don’t have a resource shortage. That’s our only limiting factor. > > > > I get that pollution is bad. Air and water could be cleaner. Animals could > not be endangered (although this not always down to land space, a lot of it > is). Eventually we have wiped out all animal species. We’ll also have the > tech to bring them all back. We’re a stupidly adaptive and smart species. > > > > You also seem to think that population growth is an exponential growth. > It’s not. > > > > > > *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > *On Behalf Of *Stephen Scheidel > *Sent:* 16 February 2015 3:52 PM > > *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail > > > > I just don't get how Stu seems to think we can just keep on multiplying > and everything will be fine. > > Come on Stu. > > > > On 16 February 2015 at 15:51, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > Yeah a middle ground understanding sounds good. > > > > > > On 16 February 2015 at 15:47, sameegh jardine <sameegh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > lol, I hear you. I think there's a happy compromise somewhere in the > middle of all of this though. > > > > If people simply consumed less one wouldn't need to cut down the > population. It's easier to adjust your lifestyle than it is to play with > population sizes I'd think. Also, even if you cut down the population in > terms of size, what's to stop the remaining population from simply wanting > even more? > > > > My wife and I share a meal at Burger King. We literally cut the thing in > half. I'm not saying everyone needs to share their burgers but my point is > that one meal fills both of us sufficiently. People tend to base how much > they eat on what size their meal comes in and tend to overestimate how much > the really need :P > > > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > What? > > You do realize that you need more things for more people right ? > > Less people ~ less things needed. > > Population control doesn't have to be approached like china or whatever. > > People just need to realize that they should replace themselves, not > multiply like crazy. > > But then you get into the whole "don't tell me how many kids I can have" > thing. > > > > Conclusion I've come to when talking about this issue is that most people > would rather have a big family over a sustainable environment. > > And when you try to talk the about conservation for the future they > completely disregard it as someone else's problem. > > > > Basically Stu hates Earth. > > > > On 16 February 2015 at 15:19, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > Countries with stable populations usually have stable economies or > whatever it is that allows them to be be happy. > > I know the tax in most of these countries is very very high but it's fine > because everyone receiving is also paying. > > > > > > On 16 February 2015 at 15:15, sameegh jardine <sameegh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > I tend to agree - I think the bigger issue has got to do with resource > distribution. People tend to want more than what they really need. > > > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair < > alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Huh? > > Too many for what? There is enough space for people to live, more than > enough food for the whole planet. > > Sure there are lots of issues in the world but overpopulation isn’t > actually one of them. > > > > *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > *On Behalf Of *Stephen Scheidel > *Sent:* 16 February 2015 3:00 PM > > > *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail > > > > Almost every problem we have as people here on on earth is that there are > just too many of us. > > > > > > On 16 February 2015 at 14:57, Nicholas Robertson-Muir <nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > Just wrote 4 paragraphs of my thoughts on racism and then deleted it. > > Fuck politics. > > On 16 Feb 2015 14:49, "Ashraf Barendse" <ashraf.barendse@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Damn Japs, why they gotta be racist. Slanty-eyed rice eaters. > > :P > > HBD Jag. > > > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Di Lhong <geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Yeah. It's not they discriminate and treat you differently. If you're > whatever race and you go to japan. They treat you nicely. It's just the > idea of sharing their environment with people they don't know or foreigners. > > > > Also a lot of issue started when Japan allowed thailand to travel to japan > by getting a tourist visa on arrival...A LOT of illegal immigrants went in > to Japan. I think at least 6,000 in the first 3 months. And the thai > tourist are very loud and dirty...throwing shit everywhere, not lining up, > etc. Fuelling the japanese xenophobia even more. > > > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > Well there is a difference between pride and hating others. > > I get what Di is saying though ~ basically it's not so much that they hate > other people (they obviously do to some extent) but more that they just > want to be around their own kind. > > > > On 16 February 2015 at 14:36, Donaldson, Alasdair < > alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Pride? > > It’s not pride behind racism. It’s hate. > > > > *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > *On Behalf Of *Di Lhong > *Sent:* 16 February 2015 2:31 PM > > > *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail > > > > Well, asians are pretty racist and xenophobic...so i'm not too surprise > they wrote something like that. They're pretty racist and xenophobic among > themselves too. Chinese vs Japanese. Thai vs everyone else. Etc. Too much > pride in their own race and country. > > > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > I think it was on some comedy show I was watching where the guy covers > some similar stuff. > > Some old sports team owner was caught saying something racist and there > was a big stink. > > What the fuck do they expect ? the parents of Americans who are 80+ now > where the generation that finished off the Native american holocaust ffs. > > > > It just sucks when these old geezers still have some power in the world > and you can't just wheel them down the hallway like crazy old grandma. > > > > On 16 February 2015 at 14:21, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > Forced segregation is a shit idea and never works. > > I hope nobody is too surprised by this Japanese womans' ideas. > > Keep in mind she was 8 years old when the Americans dropped the bombs on > them. > > She is 83 now. > > To expect anything but racism and xenophobia out of her is a bit much. > > > > It's all super wrong but we just shouldn't be surprised. > > > > > > On 16 February 2015 at 14:08, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > HBD Jagson. > > > > On 16 February 2015 at 13:46, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Yeah, read about this earlier. How fucked up can you get. > > On 16 Feb 2015 13:04, "Manase Zote" <bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Japan please... > > > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/11414141/Japanese-author-provokes-furious-South-African-response-by-suggesting-a-new-apartheid.html > > On 16 Feb 2015 12:53, "Moshe Shevel" <jaguguarang@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Haha thanks guys :) > > On 16 Feb 2015 12:47 PM, "Sameegh Jardine" <sameegh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Happy Birthday Jag, hope you have an awesome one :] > > > On 16 Feb 2015, at 12:41 PM, "Donaldson, Alasdair" < > alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Oh, nice one Ilit. You couldn’t have posted that first thing this > morning, could you? So we’re now all the schmucks who didn’t realise it was > his birthday. > > > > In other news, HDB Jag. > > > > *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On Behalf Of *Ilitirit Sama > *Sent:* 16 February 2015 12:37 PM > *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail > > > > HBD Jag! > ------------------------------ > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally > privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this e-mail > by anyone else is unauthorized. If you have received this communication in > error, please address with the subject heading "Received in error," send to > the original sender, then delete the e-mail and destroy any copies of it. > If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, > distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, > is prohibited and may be unlawful. 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