Jerry and all, Let me say that I deeply appreciate the work you are doing. In fact, I have a new show doing music over on Shellworld Radio every Friday night, and I played both your original and the Podsafe for Peace version. It is embarrassing to me that there are those folks who think that minimizing and compromising the work of others are good change-agentry skills. Do I want the podsafe music network to be accessible? You bet I do! Does it irritate the crap out of me that in this day and age, we are still talking about basic equality in access for blind folks? You bet it does. But, unlike Darrell and a minority of others, I think most of us understand that the way to create change is to demonstrate the need, then to lend the knowledge and skills needed to create the change. Once again, I'm embarrassed by the militant bravado techniques which in reality, represent the methodology of but a few. To Adam and C. C., I'm eagerly awaiting the day when i can download music for my podcasts and highlight some of the fabulous talent there. To that end though I know you have people whose talents are far more sophisticated than mine, I'm delighted to beta test or assist in what ever way I can. Please ignore the bravado, and spend energy on resolving the access issue. Jerry, thank you for including me in this loop. Anytime you want to publicize this further, ACB Radio's Marlaina program will welcome you with open arms. Darrell, I'm not interested in getting into a back and forth match with you on this one as you tried to do on visual verification. You have your ways, I have mine; I think yours are counter productive and will only further push key sighted people who could help, away for longer and longer. Evangelism means teaching and guiding, not beating the crap out of somebody who is making in-roads. Your type of evangelism will destroy rather than rebuild. Live with that responsibility, I'm glad I do not have to. Happy Holidays to all. Marlaina Lieberg ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Halatyn To: Darrell Shandrow Cc: Adam Curry ; C.C. Chapman ; blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ; Marlaina Lieberg ; Jeff Bishop Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 10:38 PM Subject: Re: wow, what an insult Darrell, First of all, I don't subscribe to your podcast and I don't follow your journal. It was brought to my attention by someone else. Second, your facts are wrong about the song not being available to blind podcasters. The song is and always was available directly from me. Jeff asked if he could give it to other podcasters and decided to post it on his website. As I said, there was no way of ensuring that only podcasters would receive the song so, it was decided by both of us to change the method of delivery. The inaccessibility of the Podsafe Music Network is not nmy problem. Deal with it. That this is not endorsed by UNICEF is entirely correct but that has no bearing on whether it is a legitimate project. This project was only born on October 31st of this year when Adam played the tune and had the idea of making it a benefit. Do you think that anyone could've gotten UNICEF to endorse it in no time at all? Fat chance. Further, I worked my fingers to the bone for almost 30 straight days, pulling 12 to 16 hour days with no pay, no financial support from any other entity. I paid all out-of pocket expenses by myself. I registered domain names. I'm paying a designer who is designing and maintaining the website. I'm spending hours upon hours, helping people who are having trouble here and there with downloads or payments to Paypal. I'm spending hours upon hours writing and editing press releases, e-mailing mainstream media, setting up interviews. I'm about to hire a publicist to try and spread the word about this benefit project. All of this is at my own expense. I not only don't make money on this deal -- I actually lose money. These are all, of course, facts that you would have no knowledge of but would just as soon not need to come to your conclusion that it's not a project worth supporting and even boycotting. And you say no good deed goes unpunished? yes, indeed, how true it is. You have clearly illustrated this adage. You're so clueless that you don't even realize how insulting you can be. Further, you have no concept of how you come across to others. You've demonstrated that publicly. Feel free to express your opinions publicaly and I'll do the same. ----- Original Message ----- From: Darrell Shandrow To: Slau Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 12:39 AM Subject: Re: wow, what an insult Hey Jerry, Glad to see you listening and reading the journal. :-) Unfortunately, due to requests for a number of changes Jeff felt the need to take down the accessible means to download the song, thus this avenue is no longer available to us. PMN is currently inaccessible, both in use and registration. Those are the facts. Jeff made a way for us to get the song and to report back on who was downloading it. That was extremely fair. That method had to be taken down. Little or no consideration was given to the hours Jeff spent setting it all up in the first place. In any case, there is no insult intended here. There is no other way for podcasters to freely download the song for play on their podcasts other than PMN, which is still inaccessible. I'm disappointed and upset with you for some things surrounding the project, and I have a right to publicly express my displeasure. Everything I am saying is based on the facts, including the fact that this is not an official UNICEF project officially endorsed by that charity, so we have no way of knowing, 100 percent certain, where the proceeds will go. Facts. Sorry. Especially due to the accessibility issues, I feel completely free to make sure all the facts are obvious for everyone, as well as to discourage others from playing this on their shows. Lesson should be learned next time to make sure the needs of your blind brothers and sisters are correctly and completely accomodated in all that you do. Whenever that is not the case, you may expect flack from accessibility evangelists such as myself. ----- Original Message ----- From: Slau To: Darrell Shandrow Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 6:35 PM Subject: wow, what an insult Wow, how insulting that you would be dissappointed in my accommodation for blind persons to download a broadcast copy of the Podsafe for Peace song. I actually went out of my way to make sure it was available through Jeff Bishop's site. You've obviously not considered the fact that people with no podcast feeds were downloading the song. What kind of sense is that? Downloading a song for free that's supposed to be a fund-raiser? Thanks a lot. __________ NOD32 1.1317 (20051209) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com