Re: wow, what an insult

  • From: "Debbie Gillespie" <dgillespie@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 16:17:48 -0500

I totally support Marlaina's response below.  I would also like to reinforce 
the point she makes here Darrell regarding making others aware of accessibility 
issues.  I totally applaud your intent, but from my standpoint at least, your 
method appears to be more combative than helpful.  Awareness on matters of 
accessibility and changing what doesn't work absolutely needs to happen.  

An Understanding of the issues, which you do very well in communicating onward. 
A willingness to foster sound working relationships in order to have a positive 
feeling on all sides.  This in my opinion is what you do not do as well.  

  If people come away with a negative experience they would be very reluctant 
to try and make it right.

   Original Message ----- 
  From: Marlaina Lieberg 
  To: Jerry Halatyn ; Darrell Shandrow 
  Cc: Adam Curry ; C.C. Chapman ; blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ; Jeff Bishop 
  Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 2:36 PM
  Subject: Re: wow, what an insult

  Jerry and all,

  Let me say that I deeply appreciate the work you are doing.  In fact, I have 
a new show doing music over on Shellworld Radio every Friday night, and I 
played both your original and the Podsafe for Peace version.

  It is embarrassing to me that there are those folks who think that minimizing 
and compromising the work of others are good change-agentry skills.  Do I want 
the podsafe music network to be accessible?  You bet I do!  Does it irritate 
the crap out of me that in this day and age, we are still talking about basic 
equality in access for blind folks?  You bet it does.  But, unlike Darrell and 
a minority of others, I think most of us understand that the way to create 
change is to demonstrate the need, then to lend the knowledge and skills needed 
to create the change.  Once again, I'm embarrassed by the militant bravado 
techniques which in reality, represent the methodology of but a few.

  To Adam and C. C., I'm eagerly awaiting the day when i can download music for 
my podcasts and highlight some of the fabulous talent there.  To that end 
though I know you have people whose talents are far more sophisticated than 
mine, I'm delighted to beta test or assist in what ever way I can.  Please 
ignore the bravado, and spend energy on resolving the access issue.

  Jerry, thank you for including me in this loop.  Anytime you want to 
publicize this further, ACB Radio's Marlaina program will welcome you with open 

  Darrell, I'm not interested in getting into a back and forth match with you 
on this one as you tried to do on visual verification.  You have your ways, I 
have mine; I think yours are counter productive and will only further push key 
sighted people who could help, away for longer and longer.  Evangelism means 
teaching and guiding, not beating the crap out of somebody who is making 
in-roads.  Your type of evangelism will destroy rather than rebuild.  Live with 
that responsibility, I'm glad I do not have to.

  Happy Holidays to all.

  Marlaina Lieberg
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Jerry Halatyn 
    To: Darrell Shandrow 
    Cc: Adam Curry ; C.C. Chapman ; blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ; Marlaina 
Lieberg ; Jeff Bishop 
    Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 10:38 PM
    Subject: Re: wow, what an insult

    Darrell, First of all, I don't subscribe to your podcast and  I don't 
follow your journal. It was brought to my attention by someone else.

    Second, your facts are wrong about the song not being available to blind 
podcasters. The song is and always was available directly from me. Jeff asked 
if he could give it to other podcasters and decided to post it on his website. 
As I said, there was no way of ensuring that only podcasters would receive the 
song so, it was decided by both of us to change the method of delivery. The 
inaccessibility of the Podsafe Music Network is not nmy problem. Deal with it.

    That this is not endorsed by UNICEF is entirely correct but that has no 
bearing on whether it is a legitimate project. This project was only born on 
October 31st of this year when Adam played the tune and had the idea of making 
it a benefit. Do you think that anyone could've gotten UNICEF to endorse it in 
no time at all? Fat chance.

    Further, I worked my fingers to the bone for almost 30 straight days, 
pulling 12 to 16 hour days with no pay, no financial support from any other 
entity. I paid all out-of pocket expenses by myself. I registered domain names. 
I'm paying a designer who is designing and maintaining the website. I'm 
spending hours upon hours, helping people who are having trouble here and there 
with downloads or payments to Paypal. I'm spending hours upon hours writing and 
editing press releases, e-mailing mainstream media, setting up interviews. I'm 
about to hire a publicist to try and spread the word about this benefit 
project. All of this is at my own expense. I not only don't make money on this 
deal -- I actually lose money. These are all, of course, facts that you would 
have no knowledge of but would just as soon not need to come to your conclusion 
that it's not a project worth supporting and even boycotting.

    And you say no good deed goes unpunished? yes, indeed, how true it is. You 
have clearly illustrated this adage.

    You're so clueless that you don't even realize how insulting you can be. 
Further, you have no concept of how you come across to others. You've 
demonstrated that publicly. Feel free to express your opinions publicaly and 
I'll do the same.

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Darrell Shandrow 
      To: Slau 
      Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 12:39 AM
      Subject: Re: wow, what an insult

      Hey Jerry,

      Glad to see you listening and reading the journal.  :-)  Unfortunately, 
due to requests for a number of changes Jeff felt the need to take down the 
accessible means to download the song, thus this avenue is no longer available 
to us.  PMN is currently inaccessible, both in use and registration.  Those are 
the facts.  Jeff made a way for us to get the song and to report back on who 
was downloading it.  That was extremely fair.  That method had to be taken 
down.  Little or no consideration was given to the hours Jeff spent setting it 
all up in the first place.  In any case, there is no insult intended here.  
There is no other way for podcasters to freely download the song for play on 
their podcasts other than PMN, which is still inaccessible.  I'm disappointed 
and upset with you for some things surrounding the project, and I have a right 
to publicly express my displeasure.  Everything I am saying is based on the 
facts, including the fact that this is not an official UNICEF project 
officially endorsed by that charity, so we have no way of knowing, 100 percent 
certain, where the proceeds will go.  Facts.  Sorry.  Especially due to the 
accessibility issues, I feel completely free to make sure all the facts are 
obvious for everyone, as well as to discourage others from playing this on 
their shows.

      Lesson should be learned next time to make sure the needs of your blind 
brothers and sisters are correctly and completely accomodated in all that you 
do.  Whenever that is not the case, you may expect flack from accessibility 
evangelists such as myself.

        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Slau 
        To: Darrell Shandrow 
        Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 6:35 PM
        Subject: wow, what an insult

        Wow, how insulting that you would be dissappointed in my accommodation 
for blind persons to download a broadcast copy of the Podsafe for Peace song. I 
actually went out of my way to make sure it was available through Jeff Bishop's 
site. You've obviously not considered the fact that people with no podcast 
feeds were downloading the song. What kind of sense is that? Downloading a song 
for free that's supposed to be a fund-raiser?

        Thanks a lot.

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