RE: wow, what an insult

  • From: Chris Skarstad <toonhead5@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:53:33 -0600


All I can say is, wow!
I have to say I was also a bit confused as to how the song would be distributed to blind podcasters after Jeff took the download link off of his site, but then I checked the podsafe for peace website, and learned quickly that a simple e-mail to Jerry/Slau would get the song sent to whoever wanted it, or he would at the very least provide a download link, with the understanding that the podcaster would report any playing of the song back to Slau and/or PMN. Hey there has to be accountability somewhere. I also have to say I'm a bit disappointed in the actions of a few folks who may spoil it for others. Not all blind people share these views, and it only serves to make us all look like a bunch of Militant, pushy folks constantly whining about why this or that isn't accessible. A nice note usually solves the problem. Going in there with guns blazing and getting yourself all worked up, doesn't.
As Marlaina so rightly stated it, "Evangelism means teaching and guiding, not beating the crap out of somebody who is making in-roads".
How true this is!
Sheesh, this is supposed to be the holiday season. Let's listen to the message the song is trying to send, rather than getting all bent outta shape. I have absolutely no doubt that Jerry has everyone's best interests at heart.

At 06:06 AM 12/12/2005, you wrote:
Finally, the voice of reason!


From: blindcasting-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:blindcasting-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gary E. Lieberg
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 4:18 PM
To: 'Marlaina Lieberg'; 'Jerry Halatyn'; 'Darrell Shandrow'
Cc: 'Adam Curry'; 'C.C. Chapman'; blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'Jeff Bishop'
Subject: RE: wow, what an insult

I'm the silent partner in most cases, but this really burnt my butt. I'm Marlaina's sighted other-half, husband, partner, sighted guide, or whatever you want to call me. I watch the microcosm of the blind community on a daily basis. It is no different from the rest of the world in that there are people who have no tolerance for difference and/or cannot see the big picture.

In response to a great idea from Adam Curry, Jerry did what he could as fast as he could to record a new version and make the music available to the MAINSTREAM public. Why the mainstream? Simple economics -- you make more money for the project. The fact that right now, people with visual disabilities have problems with PMN is irrelevant. This fact is relevant; there are more people with working eyeballs who can purchase more copies in a shorter amount of time than there are blind people to do the same. More copies sold, more money for the project this year -- end of story for this year! The happy part is that this song is good for many years to come. There is time to work out the immediate problems. The strategic objective is to make sure the project survives and makes money in perpetuity.

Should PMN be made accessible? You bet, but it isn't going to happen this month! In the mean time other methods are available for people who are blind or visually impaired to procure the song. In the final analysis those who continue to be reactive make it very difficult for those who are trying to be proactive. Knee jerk reactions promote negative actions. It takes thoughtful proactive response to make things work.

To Jerry/Slau: You are a talented artist, audio engineer, leader, manager, and probably several other things. You have met your objective as best as you can given your resources (time, money, and people.) You have also shown that you can stand the heat of the critics. Keep up the great work!

To the Critics: Put your minds in a positive frame. Think about what Christmas means. Listen to what the song says. Find out how you can help fix what you so ardently criticize!

For Adam Curry and C.C. Chapman: As a friend of mine from West Virginia used to say, "It takes all kinds to fill the freight wagon." You've seen some of the best and and some of the others. Thanks for your ideas and interest and don't count out this community of the blind. There is a gob of talent out there just waiting to be unleashed, and in the final analysis that is the larger problem; how do they get a chance (access) to do it?

Here's wishing everyone a peaceful and wonderful holiday season.

Gary Lieberg
(The Board Guy)
-----Original Message-----
From: Marlaina Lieberg [mailto:blindcast@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 11:36 AM
To: Jerry Halatyn; Darrell Shandrow
Cc: Adam Curry; C.C. Chapman; blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; Jeff Bishop
Subject: Re: wow, what an insult
Jerry and all,

Let me say that I deeply appreciate the work you are doing. In fact, I have a new show doing music over on Shellworld Radio every Friday night, and I played both your original and the Podsafe for Peace version.

It is embarrassing to me that there are those folks who think that minimizing and compromising the work of others are good change-agentry skills. Do I want the podsafe music network to be accessible? You bet I do! Does it irritate the crap out of me that in this day and age, we are still talking about basic equality in access for blind folks? You bet it does. But, unlike Darrell and a minority of others, I think most of us understand that the way to create change is to demonstrate the need, then to lend the knowledge and skills needed to create the change. Once again, I'm embarrassed by the militant bravado techniques which in reality, represent the methodology of but a few.

To Adam and C. C., I'm eagerly awaiting the day when i can download music for my podcasts and highlight some of the fabulous talent there. To that end though I know you have people whose talents are far more sophisticated than mine, I'm delighted to beta test or assist in what ever way I can. Please ignore the bravado, and spend energy on resolving the access issue.

Jerry, thank you for including me in this loop. Anytime you want to publicize this further, ACB Radio's Marlaina program will welcome you with open arms.

Darrell, I'm not interested in getting into a back and forth match with you on this one as you tried to do on visual verification. You have your ways, I have mine; I think yours are counter productive and will only further push key sighted people who could help, away for longer and longer. Evangelism means teaching and guiding, not beating the crap out of somebody who is making in-roads. Your type of evangelism will destroy rather than rebuild. Live with that responsibility, I'm glad I do not have to.

Happy Holidays to all.

Marlaina Lieberg
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:jhalatyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Jerry Halatyn
To: <mailto:nu7i@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Darrell Shandrow
Cc: <mailto:adam@xxxxxxxxx>Adam Curry ; <mailto:cc.chapman@xxxxxxxxx>C.C. Chapman ; <mailto:blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ; <mailto:blindcast@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Marlaina Lieberg ; <mailto:jeff.bishop@xxxxxxxxx>Jeff Bishop
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 10:38 PM
Subject: Re: wow, what an insult

Darrell, First of all, I don't subscribe to your podcast and I don't follow your journal. It was brought to my attention by someone else.

Second, your facts are wrong about the song not being available to blind podcasters. The song is and always was available directly from me. Jeff asked if he could give it to other podcasters and decided to post it on his website. As I said, there was no way of ensuring that only podcasters would receive the song so, it was decided by both of us to change the method of delivery. The inaccessibility of the Podsafe Music Network is not nmy problem. Deal with it.

That this is not endorsed by UNICEF is entirely correct but that has no bearing on whether it is a legitimate project. This project was only born on October 31st of this year when Adam played the tune and had the idea of making it a benefit. Do you think that anyone could've gotten UNICEF to endorse it in no time at all? Fat chance.

Further, I worked my fingers to the bone for almost 30 straight days, pulling 12 to 16 hour days with no pay, no financial support from any other entity. I paid all out-of pocket expenses by myself. I registered domain names. I'm paying a designer who is designing and maintaining the website. I'm spending hours upon hours, helping people who are having trouble here and there with downloads or payments to Paypal. I'm spending hours upon hours writing and editing press releases, e-mailing mainstream media, setting up interviews. I'm about to hire a publicist to try and spread the word about this benefit project. All of this is at my own expense. I not only don't make money on this deal -- I actually lose money. These are all, of course, facts that you would have no knowledge of but would just as soon not need to come to your conclusion that it's not a project worth supporting and even boycotting.

And you say no good deed goes unpunished? yes, indeed, how true it is. You have clearly illustrated this adage.

You're so clueless that you don't even realize how insulting you can be. Further, you have no concept of how you come across to others. You've demonstrated that publicly. Feel free to express your opinions publicaly and I'll do the same.

----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:nu7i@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Darrell Shandrow
To: <mailto:slau@xxxxxxxx>Slau
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 12:39 AM
Subject: Re: wow, what an insult

Hey Jerry,

Glad to see you listening and reading the journal. :-) Unfortunately, due to requests for a number of changes Jeff felt the need to take down the accessible means to download the song, thus this avenue is no longer available to us. PMN is currently inaccessible, both in use and registration. Those are the facts. Jeff made a way for us to get the song and to report back on who was downloading it. That was extremely fair. That method had to be taken down. Little or no consideration was given to the hours Jeff spent setting it all up in the first place. In any case, there is no insult intended here. There is no other way for podcasters to freely download the song for play on their podcasts other than PMN, which is still inaccessible. I'm disappointed and upset with you for some things surrounding the project, and I have a right to publicly express my displeasure. Everything I am saying is based on the facts, including the fact that this is not an official UNICEF project officially endorsed by that charity, so we have no way of knowing, 100 percent certain, where the proceeds will go. Facts. Sorry. Especially due to the accessibility issues, I feel completely free to make sure all the facts are obvious for everyone, as well as to discourage others from playing this on their shows.

Lesson should be learned next time to make sure the needs of your blind brothers and sisters are correctly and completely accomodated in all that you do. Whenever that is not the case, you may expect flack from accessibility evangelists such as myself.

----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:slau@xxxxxxxx>Slau
To: <mailto:nu7i@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Darrell Shandrow
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 6:35 PM
Subject: wow, what an insult

Wow, how insulting that you would be dissappointed in my accommodation for blind persons to download a broadcast copy of the Podsafe for Peace song. I actually went out of my way to make sure it was available through Jeff Bishop's site. You've obviously not considered the fact that people with no podcast feeds were downloading the song. What kind of sense is that? Downloading a song for free that's supposed to be a fund-raiser?

Thanks a lot.

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