Re: wow, what an insult
- From: "Kelly Pierce" <kellyjosef@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Jerry Halatyn" <jhalatyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 00:12:22 -0600
Darrell,
I fully understand your concerns for accessibility and full inclusion. Adam
has committed Podshow to designing accessible software moving forward and
remedying accessibility problems at PMN. jerry's Christmas song project
surfaces as work begins on PMN to develop an accessible interface. I don't
believe jerry is responsible for the difficulties at PMN, although he uses
the infrastructure. Jerry has created an accessible workaround, which I
totally appreciate. it isn't the ideal solution but until PMN is fixed,
nothing really is. jerry's offer is a practical way in my opinion to bridge
the accessibility barrier.
Personally, I'd rather see all the energy people have directed at jerry
applied to developing solutions to PMN accessibility to blindcasters. The
sooner the PMN problems are resolved, the happier we all will be.
Kelly
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Jerry Halatyn" <jhalatyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "Adam Curry" <adam@xxxxxxxxx>; "C.C. Chapman" <cc.chapman@xxxxxxxxx>;
<blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Marlaina Lieberg" <blindcast@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
"Jeff Bishop" <jeff.bishop@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: wow, what an insult
Dear Jerry, Adam and all others,
My only concern about anything is whether or not it is accessible for the
blind and visually impaired. There were issues with this project due to the
continuing lack of accessibility of the Podsafe Music Network. A method was
made available for blindcasters to gain full participation in this project,
then it was modified and finally taken down. I became very disappointed and
frustrated with this state of affairs. I voiced that frustration. I'm
sure, Slau, you have spent a lot of time on this project, and I certainly
don't berate you for that. It has the potential to be a great thing, but it
isn't fully accessible. In that case, it doesn't allow for full
participation by the blind, and, thus, I am just simply not going to be
happy with the current situation. I thus simply brought forth all the
facts, made my personal declaration not to play it and urged others who care
about what happens to the blind to follow my lead. Some will; most won't.
That's just how things work.
I'm sorry that you feel insulted, but I also wish you hadn't made our
private e-mail exchange public, especially by sending copies od it to Adam,
C.C., Marlaina, Jeff and others. That's not very nice Jerry. Though I am
very disappointed, I didn't do that to you.
I am an accessibility evangelist above all else. No matter how wonderful
the project, I will call it on the carpet every time it serves to lock out
the blind from full participation. I am more than happy to continue a
productive dialogue on this or any other accessibility related issue,
especially where it involves devising constructive solutions to
accessibility challenges. In that spirit, I am willing and able to do
everything humanly possible to help you, Jerry, Podshow or anyone else.
Again, I do apologize if I helped to turn this whole matter into something
that impacted you on an emotional level. For me, its all about
accessibility and nothing else, all emotions aside.
Thanks for all your time and I look forward to hearing from some of you
soon.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Halatyn
To: Darrell Shandrow
Cc: Adam Curry ; C.C. Chapman ; blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ; Marlaina
Lieberg ; Jeff Bishop
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 11:38 PM
Subject: Re: wow, what an insult
Darrell, First of all, I don't subscribe to your podcast and I don't
follow your journal. It was brought to my attention by someone else.
Second, your facts are wrong about the song not being available to blind
podcasters. The song is and always was available directly from me. Jeff
asked if he could give it to other podcasters and decided to post it on his
website. As I said, there was no way of ensuring that only podcasters would
receive the song so, it was decided by both of us to change the method of
delivery. The inaccessibility of the Podsafe Music Network is not nmy
problem. Deal with it.
That this is not endorsed by UNICEF is entirely correct but that has no
bearing on whether it is a legitimate project. This project was only born on
October 31st of this year when Adam played the tune and had the idea of
making it a benefit. Do you think that anyone could've gotten UNICEF to
endorse it in no time at all? Fat chance.
Further, I worked my fingers to the bone for almost 30 straight days,
pulling 12 to 16 hour days with no pay, no financial support from any other
entity. I paid all out-of pocket expenses by myself. I registered domain
names. I'm paying a designer who is designing and maintaining the website.
I'm spending hours upon hours, helping people who are having trouble here
and there with downloads or payments to Paypal. I'm spending hours upon
hours writing and editing press releases, e-mailing mainstream media,
setting up interviews. I'm about to hire a publicist to try and spread the
word about this benefit project. All of this is at my own expense. I not
only don't make money on this deal -- I actually lose money. These are all,
of course, facts that you would have no knowledge of but would just as soon
not need to come to your conclusion that it's not a project worth supporting
and even boycotting.
And you say no good deed goes unpunished? yes, indeed, how true it is. You
have clearly illustrated this adage.
You're so clueless that you don't even realize how insulting you can be.
Further, you have no concept of how you come across to others. You've
demonstrated that publicly. Feel free to express your opinions publicaly and
I'll do the same.
----- Original Message -----
From: Darrell Shandrow
To: Slau
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 12:39 AM
Subject: Re: wow, what an insult
Hey Jerry,
Glad to see you listening and reading the journal. :-) Unfortunately,
due to requests for a number of changes Jeff felt the need to take down the
accessible means to download the song, thus this avenue is no longer
available to us. PMN is currently inaccessible, both in use and
registration. Those are the facts. Jeff made a way for us to get the song
and to report back on who was downloading it. That was extremely fair.
That method had to be taken down. Little or no consideration was given to
the hours Jeff spent setting it all up in the first place. In any case,
there is no insult intended here. There is no other way for podcasters to
freely download the song for play on their podcasts other than PMN, which is
still inaccessible. I'm disappointed and upset with you for some things
surrounding the project, and I have a right to publicly express my
displeasure. Everything I am saying is based on the facts, including the
fact that this is not an official UNICEF project officially endorsed by that
charity, so we have no way of knowing, 100 percent certain, where the
proceeds will go. Facts. Sorry. Especially due to the accessibility
issues, I feel completely free to make sure all the facts are obvious for
everyone, as well as to discourage others from playing this on their shows.
Lesson should be learned next time to make sure the needs of your blind
brothers and sisters are correctly and completely accomodated in all that
you do. Whenever that is not the case, you may expect flack from
accessibility evangelists such as myself.
----- Original Message -----
From: Slau
To: Darrell Shandrow
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 6:35 PM
Subject: wow, what an insult
Wow, how insulting that you would be dissappointed in my accommodation
for blind persons to download a broadcast copy of the Podsafe for Peace
song. I actually went out of my way to make sure it was available through
Jeff Bishop's site. You've obviously not considered the fact that people
with no podcast feeds were downloading the song. What kind of sense is that?
Downloading a song for free that's supposed to be a fund-raiser?
Thanks a lot.
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