[bksvol-discuss] Re: link for gift subscription
- From: "siss52" <siss52@xxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:09:01 -0600
MMaybe, too, some of the people who are submitting could take a break from
that and validate a few to help decrease the number of books on the Step 1
page. That would accomplish two things. They would help reduce the stack,
and would find out how difficult it can be to validate a submission that has
not been edited at all by the submitter.
Sue S.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jill O'Connell" <jillocon@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 10:52 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: link for gift subscription
> And the list of books to be validated is growing constantly larger. I
wonder
> why Bookshare couldn't check a book for accuracy before its going on the
> step 1 list and returning books for rescan if they don't meet a certain
> standard. I would think this would help eliminate all of the good and fair
> books out there that Bookshare encourages readers to do over, ending up
> paying twice as much in volunteer fees for the book. It seems to me that
we
> have come so far beyond the original concept of Bookshare that meaningful
> changes need to be made in the expected standards if Bookshare is really
to
> continue to thrive. It particularly bothers me when I see books that would
> be desirable for students to read and then find significant errors. If I
> were a school district or an individual, I would really resent it if I had
> such a book embossed with all the expense that that entailed. I believe
> Bookshare is at the point in its development where quality is more
important
> than quantity.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 8:24 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: link for gift subscription
>
>
> > Yay!! I am indeed jumping for joy. That's great!!
> >
> > And I'm glad to see that gift subscriptions are
> > available., as E mentioned.
> >
> > I guess I missed the suggestion of credits for new
> > members--but I do think, as has been mentioned before,
> > that credits for careful validation should be
> > increased. I thought membership was $50 not $75, but
> > even at $50 (is that for continuing subscriptions?)
> > 100 validations to get the next subscription, and only
> > 20 submissions. No wonder more people are submitting,
> > and books are Fair or Good, than are validating.
> >
> > Cindy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> Good news is a
> >> major grant has been given to Benetech so we get to
> >> open the job
> >> requisition for more staff to manage the
> >> Bookshare.org collection and
> >> production of same.
> >> Please take a moment to jump with joy. M
> >
> >
> > --- Janice Carter <Janice.C@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >> Great idea to revisit the use of credits for new
> >> members. Give us a
> >> couple of weeks to come up with some suggestions.
> >>
> >> As far as "poor Gustavo," yes, he has been carrying
> >> quite a lot over the
> >> past six months (as are lots of others at Benetech).
> >> Good news is a
> >> major grant has been given to Benetech so we get to
> >> open the job
> >> requisition for more staff to manage the
> >> Bookshare.org collection and
> >> production of same.
> >> Please take a moment to jump with joy. More details
> >> in Gustavo's
> >> newsletter next week.
> >>
> >> On the road until next Thursday....
> >>
> >> Janice
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> >> Behalf Of E.
> >> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 7:06 PM
> >> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: link for gift
> >> subscription
> >>
> >> I understand why not giving away personal credits
> >> could be discouraged.
> >> I
> >> am not talking about that. I am talking about
> >> giving someone something
> >> toward a subscription using credit cards. I think
> >> it might increase the
> >>
> >> money flow some and not be much trouble to set up.
> >>
> >> E.
> >> At 06:57 PM 12/2/2005, you wrote:
> >>
> >> >I tried a couple of years ago to give my credits to
> >> >someone who might need them,but Jesse said it
> >> wasn't
> >> >possible for two reasons; one wouldn't apply to
> >> gift
> >> >certificates, but the other was some kind of a
> >> >technical transferring problem. Maybe that doesn't
> >> >apply any more. I think gift certificates is a
> >> great
> >> >idea. Mostly what I give my adult children for
> >> >Christmas is give certificates to stores where they
> >> >usually shop.
> >> >
> >> >Cindy
> >> >
> >> >--- tom hawkins <tjhawk1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Since it seems that increasing our membership is
> >> > > also part of the issue
> >> > > maybe a sponsorship using credits earned from
> >> > > scanning and validating.
> >> > > Perhaps there sighted folks in schools or where
> >> ever
> >> > > that would recomend
> >> > > canidates. Once a member likely is some of them
> >> > > will stick. Tom
> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > From: "E." <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > > Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 10:26 AM
> >> > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] link for gift
> >> subscription
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > > What about a link so someone can give you a
> >> gift?
> >> > > They could give you a
> >> > > > renewal of an existing subscription all or in
> >> > > part. Would this be
> >> > > > possible using, say, credit cards. Kind of
> >> like
> >> > > me buying someone a $20
> >> > > > gift certificate at Amazon. The agreement
> >> might
> >> > > be that the $20 is to be
> >> > > > applied to an account. Hope this makes sense.
> >> I
> >> > > want a way so someone
> >> > > > could give someone else $20 or something in
> >> case
> >> > > the giver does not wish
> >> > > > to pay for a whole year's subscription.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > It might be a fun thing for the community to
> >> be
> >> > > able to gift each other in
> >> > > > that way. We could send each other gift
> >> > > certificates.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > At 12:34 PM 12/2/2005, you wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > >>Tom,
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>Since you're obviously wondering why you as a
> >> > > volunteer couldn't be
> >> > > >>allowed to help with approvals, let me explain
> >> the
> >> > > issues. BTW, You
> >> > > >>aren't the first volunteer to wonder about
> >> this,
> >> > > and certainly won't be
> >> > > >>the last. I had seen this issue brought up
> >> > > earlier this year, so I asked
> >> > > >>Gustavo the question several months back when
> >> I
> >> > > began monitoring the list
> >> > > >>because I knew it would eventually pop up
> >> again
> >> > > and wanted to be prepared
> >> > > >>if it did.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>Time isn't the issue here. It's money. An
> >> > > administrator needs to be a
> >> > > >>paid employee in order to have accountability.
> >> > > Bookshare has legal
> >> > > >>obligations to meet every time they add a book
> >> to
> >> > > the collection. If an
> >> > > >>employee adds books to the collection without
> >> > > ensuring that those legal
> >> > > >>obligations are met, then they can be held
> >> > > accountable. Volunteers can
> >> > > >>not. There is also the issue that it would
> >> > > probably take a considerable
> >> > > >>number of books in the collection with
> >> incorrect
> >> > > titles, authors, or
> >> > > >>copyright info before the problem could be
> >> > > discovered. if the problem
> >> > > >>gets that far, then Bookshare has a serious
> >> > > problem to deal with. Also,
> >> > > >>accountability means possibly losing your job,
> >> not
> >> > > losing your membership.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>There is also the issue of administrators
> >> having
> >> > > access to members' and
> >> > > >>volunteers' personal information since that
> >> info
> >> > > is probably kept in the
> >> > > >>same database or on the same system.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>As for Gustavo handling the load by himself at
> >> > > this time, He seems quite
> >> > > >>capable of doing so, so I wouldn't worry about
> >> him
> >> > > having to do it all by
> >> > > >>himself right now. There will no doubt come a
> >> > > time in the future when he
> >> > > >>will no longer be able to carry the load
> >> without
> >> > > help, and Bookshare will
> >> > > >>address that problem when it occurs.
> >> Hopefully
> >> > > Bookshare will be in much
> >> > > >>better shape financially before that does
> >> occur
> >> > > and can hire someone who
> >> > > >>can not only share in some of the
> >> responsibility
> >> > > of approving books, but
> >> > > >>can act as a volunteer coordinator as well
> >> which
> >> > > will free up Gustavo and
> >> > > >>Janice to focus on all of the other tasks they
> >> > > were doing before Marissa
> >> > > >>left for graduate school.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>BTW, don't worry about venting on the list. A
> >> > > certain amount of that is
> >> > > >>not only expected, but healthy. It's only a
> >> big
> >> > > deal when a volunteer
> >> > > >>chooses to post about the same problem day
> >> after
> >> > > day after day.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>HTH
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>Gerald
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>-----Original Message-----
> >> > > >>From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > > >>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> >> > > Behalf Of tom hawkins
> >> > > >>Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 1:13 AM
> >> > > >>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > > >>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: venting my
> >> > > frustrations
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>Hi Gerald, I apologize for venting. I
> >> understand
> >> > > the book being kicked
> >> > > >>back under the circumstances. I didn't know
> >> that
> >> > > Gustavo was doing all of
> >> > > >>the administrator approvals.But then the
> >> question
> >> > > remains, Why is Gustavo
> >> > > >>trying to carry the entire program on his
> >> back? I
> >> > > know money is an issue,
> >> > > >>but cirtainly there is some way through some
> >> of
> >> > > these problems. I don't
> >> > > >>have a million to donate, but I do have time.
> >> Is
> >> > > there something I can do
> >> > > >>to help? Tom
> >> > > >>----- Original Message -----
> >> > > >>From: <mailto:geraldhovas@xxxxxxxxxxx>Gerald
> >> Hovas
> >> > > >>To:
> >> > >
> >>
> >><mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > > >>Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 9:55 PM
> >> > > >>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: venting my
> >> > > frustrations
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>Tom,
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> From what Gustavo has told me, the most
> >> common
> >> > > error related to filling
> >> > > >> out the copyright fields on the submission
> >> form
> >> > > is entering the publisher
> >> > > >> in the copyright name field instead of the
> >> > > copyright holder. Because he
> >> > > >> has to kick so many books back due to this
> >> error,
> >> > > you should always
> >> > > >> provide information about the copyright
> >> holder in
> >> > > the comments field when
> >> > > >> the copyright holder turns out to be the
> >> > > publisher after all. In this
> >> > > >> instance, I believe it is well worth the
> >> trouble
> >> > > of verifying the
> >> > > >> copyright holder through an internet site
> >> like
> >> > > >> <http://www.copyright.gov>www.copyright.gov
> >> or
> >> > > through sighted assistance
> >> > > >> then including a comment informing him that
> >> you
> >> > > have verified that the
> >> > > >> copyright is actually the publisher and
> >> include
> >> > > an explanation of how you
> >> > > >> went about verifying it. If the book isn't a
> >> new
> >> > > release, then I'd
> >> > > >> recommend using the
> >> > > <http://www.copyright.gov>www.copyright.gov site
> >> > > >> since Gustavo can reference the site if he
> >> > > wishes.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>As for opening the book up and looking for
> >> > > himself, that isn't always the
> >> > > >>most reliable way to verify something as
> >> important
> >> > > as the copyright
> >> > > >>information since the volunteers who are
> >> putting
> >> > > the publisher in the
> >> > > >>copyright name field by accident could have
> >> been
> >> > > confused enough about
> >> > > >>copyright to have changed that line before
> >> > > submission. Granted that it's
> >> > > >>unlikely, but if I were in Gustavo's shoes, I
> >> > > wouldn't feel comfortable
> >> > > >>about trusting the contents of a submission by
> >> > > someone who couldn't fill
> >> > > >>the form out properly due to a possible lack
> >> of
> >> > > understanding of
> >> > > >>copyright.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>I understand your frustration, but when you
> >> take
> >> > > into consideration the
> >> > > >>number of books Gustavo has actually approved
> >> this
> >> > > year, it's
> >> > > >>understandable if he accidentally kicks one
> >> back
> >> > > by accident every now and
> >> > > >>then. I'm not sure, but I believe Marissa
> >> > > approved a handful of the 4900
> >> > > >>books which have been added so far this year.
> >> > > Even if she did, I'd
> >> > > >>suspect that Gustavo's approved at least 4700
> >> of
> >> > > those 4900 books, if not
> >> > > >>4850 of them. With that many books being
> >> > > approved, it's bound to happen
> >> > > >>since he is always going to err on the side of
> >> > > caution since adding a book
> >> > > >>to the collection which has incorrect
> >> copyright
> >> > > information has the
> >> > > >>potential to be a more serious problem than
> >> > > frustrating a volunteer over
> >> > > >>getting their book kicked back by accident.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>BTW, the staff is aware that it would be
> >> helpful
> >> > > for the system to notify
> >> > > >>a volunteer when one of their validations is
> >> > > kicked back or accepted. As
> >> > > >>long as Bookshare has limited resources
> >> though,
> >> > > Engineering will have to
> >> > > >>postpone some upgrades which volunteers want
> >> in
> >> > > order to make improvements
> >> > > >>which will have a greater impact on members
> >> and
> >> > > volunteers.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>Again, I understand your frustration. I've
> >> had a
> >> > > book kicked back on me
> >> > > >>too, and from what Gustavo and I were able to
> >> > > determine, it was due to
> >> > > >>nothing more than his approving books when he
> >> > > should have been in bed
> >> > > >>instead. My kickback didn't even happen to
> >> have a
> >> > > note. It just looked
> >> > > >>like Gustavo clicked the wrong button because
> >> he
> >> > > was tired.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>Gerald
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>-----Original Message-----
> >> > > >>From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > > >>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> >> > > Behalf Of tom hawkins
> >> > > >>Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 9:55 PM
> >> > > >>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > > >>Cc: Gustavo Galindo
> >> > > >>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] venting my
> >> frustrations
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>Hi Everyone,
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>Well I' am totally frustrated with bookshare
> >> and
> >> > > the lack of simple
> >> > > >>communication procedures. I spent a great deal
> >> of
> >> > > time validating a book
> >> > > >>to make as near perfect as possible including
> >> > > using my wife's time which
> >> > > >>she treasures dearly. I went to the step one
> >> list
> >> > > to see if any of the
> >> > > >>Dale Brown books that I submitted nearly three
> >> > > months ago were returned,
> >> > > >>only to find the book that I just validated
> >> back
> >> > > on the step one list and
> >> > > >>no communication from bookshare. When I
> >> checked
> >> > > the notes, the
> >> > > >>administrator apparently did not like the
> >> > > copyright.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Well a publisher is clearly listed as the
> >> > > copyright holder. So now what
> >> > > >> does it take to fix the problem! If the
> >> > > administrator took a moment to
> >> > > >> open the book it clearly states that the
> >> > > copyright holder is the
> >> > > >> publishing company as listed. Is there some
> >> > > special miracle to be
> >> > > >> performed? I have decided not to list the
> >> > > problems that I encountered
> >> > > >> with the web site, as Iwell it seems that the
> >> > > designer was a mouse user
> >> > > >> and could see what they were doing.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>Tom
> >> > > >
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