I understand why not giving away personal credits could be discouraged. I
am not talking about that. I am talking about giving someone something
toward a subscription using credit cards. I think it might increase the
money flow some and not be much trouble to set up.
E. At 06:57 PM 12/2/2005, you wrote:
I tried a couple of years ago to give my credits to someone who might need them,but Jesse said it wasn't possible for two reasons; one wouldn't apply to gift certificates, but the other was some kind of a technical transferring problem. Maybe that doesn't apply any more. I think gift certificates is a great idea. Mostly what I give my adult children for Christmas is give certificates to stores where they usually shop.
Cindy
--- tom hawkins <tjhawk1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Since it seems that increasing our membership is > also part of the issue > maybe a sponsorship using credits earned from > scanning and validating. > Perhaps there sighted folks in schools or where ever > that would recomend > canidates. Once a member likely is some of them > will stick. Tom > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "E." <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 10:26 AM > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] link for gift subscription > > > > What about a link so someone can give you a gift? > They could give you a > > renewal of an existing subscription all or in > part. Would this be > > possible using, say, credit cards. Kind of like > me buying someone a $20 > > gift certificate at Amazon. The agreement might > be that the $20 is to be > > applied to an account. Hope this makes sense. I > want a way so someone > > could give someone else $20 or something in case > the giver does not wish > > to pay for a whole year's subscription. > > > > It might be a fun thing for the community to be > able to gift each other in > > that way. We could send each other gift > certificates. > > > > > > > > At 12:34 PM 12/2/2005, you wrote: > > > >>Tom, > >> > >>Since you're obviously wondering why you as a > volunteer couldn't be > >>allowed to help with approvals, let me explain the > issues. BTW, You > >>aren't the first volunteer to wonder about this, > and certainly won't be > >>the last. I had seen this issue brought up > earlier this year, so I asked > >>Gustavo the question several months back when I > began monitoring the list > >>because I knew it would eventually pop up again > and wanted to be prepared > >>if it did. > >> > >>Time isn't the issue here. It's money. An > administrator needs to be a > >>paid employee in order to have accountability. > Bookshare has legal > >>obligations to meet every time they add a book to > the collection. If an > >>employee adds books to the collection without > ensuring that those legal > >>obligations are met, then they can be held > accountable. Volunteers can > >>not. There is also the issue that it would > probably take a considerable > >>number of books in the collection with incorrect > titles, authors, or > >>copyright info before the problem could be > discovered. if the problem > >>gets that far, then Bookshare has a serious > problem to deal with. Also, > >>accountability means possibly losing your job, not > losing your membership. > >> > >>There is also the issue of administrators having > access to members' and > >>volunteers' personal information since that info > is probably kept in the > >>same database or on the same system. > >> > >>As for Gustavo handling the load by himself at > this time, He seems quite > >>capable of doing so, so I wouldn't worry about him > having to do it all by > >>himself right now. There will no doubt come a > time in the future when he > >>will no longer be able to carry the load without > help, and Bookshare will > >>address that problem when it occurs. Hopefully > Bookshare will be in much > >>better shape financially before that does occur > and can hire someone who > >>can not only share in some of the responsibility > of approving books, but > >>can act as a volunteer coordinator as well which > will free up Gustavo and > >>Janice to focus on all of the other tasks they > were doing before Marissa > >>left for graduate school. > >> > >>BTW, don't worry about venting on the list. A > certain amount of that is > >>not only expected, but healthy. It's only a big > deal when a volunteer > >>chooses to post about the same problem day after > day after day. > >> > >>HTH > >> > >>Gerald > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On > Behalf Of tom hawkins > >>Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 1:13 AM > >>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: venting my > frustrations > >> > >>Hi Gerald, I apologize for venting. I understand > the book being kicked > >>back under the circumstances. I didn't know that > Gustavo was doing all of > >>the administrator approvals.But then the question > remains, Why is Gustavo > >>trying to carry the entire program on his back? I > know money is an issue, > >>but cirtainly there is some way through some of > these problems. I don't > >>have a million to donate, but I do have time. Is > there something I can do > >>to help? Tom > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: <mailto:geraldhovas@xxxxxxxxxxx>Gerald Hovas > >>To: > <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 9:55 PM > >>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: venting my > frustrations > >> > >>Tom, > >> > >> From what Gustavo has told me, the most common > error related to filling > >> out the copyright fields on the submission form > is entering the publisher > >> in the copyright name field instead of the > copyright holder. Because he > >> has to kick so many books back due to this error, > you should always > >> provide information about the copyright holder in > the comments field when > >> the copyright holder turns out to be the > publisher after all. In this > >> instance, I believe it is well worth the trouble > of verifying the > >> copyright holder through an internet site like > >> <http://www.copyright.gov>www.copyright.gov or > through sighted assistance > >> then including a comment informing him that you > have verified that the > >> copyright is actually the publisher and include > an explanation of how you > >> went about verifying it. If the book isn't a new > release, then I'd > >> recommend using the > <http://www.copyright.gov>www.copyright.gov site > >> since Gustavo can reference the site if he > wishes. > >> > >>As for opening the book up and looking for > himself, that isn't always the > >>most reliable way to verify something as important > as the copyright > >>information since the volunteers who are putting > the publisher in the > >>copyright name field by accident could have been > confused enough about > >>copyright to have changed that line before > submission. Granted that it's > >>unlikely, but if I were in Gustavo's shoes, I > wouldn't feel comfortable > >>about trusting the contents of a submission by > someone who couldn't fill > >>the form out properly due to a possible lack of > understanding of > >>copyright. > >> > >>I understand your frustration, but when you take > into consideration the > >>number of books Gustavo has actually approved this > year, it's > >>understandable if he accidentally kicks one back > by accident every now and > >>then. I'm not sure, but I believe Marissa > approved a handful of the 4900 > >>books which have been added so far this year. > Even if she did, I'd > >>suspect that Gustavo's approved at least 4700 of > those 4900 books, if not > >>4850 of them. With that many books being > approved, it's bound to happen > >>since he is always going to err on the side of > caution since adding a book > >>to the collection which has incorrect copyright > information has the > >>potential to be a more serious problem than > frustrating a volunteer over > >>getting their book kicked back by accident. > >> > >>BTW, the staff is aware that it would be helpful > for the system to notify > >>a volunteer when one of their validations is > kicked back or accepted. As > >>long as Bookshare has limited resources though, > Engineering will have to > >>postpone some upgrades which volunteers want in > order to make improvements > >>which will have a greater impact on members and > volunteers. > >> > >>Again, I understand your frustration. I've had a > book kicked back on me > >>too, and from what Gustavo and I were able to > determine, it was due to > >>nothing more than his approving books when he > should have been in bed > >>instead. My kickback didn't even happen to have a > note. It just looked > >>like Gustavo clicked the wrong button because he > was tired. > >> > >>Gerald > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On > Behalf Of tom hawkins > >>Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 9:55 PM > >>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>Cc: Gustavo Galindo > >>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] venting my frustrations > >> > >>Hi Everyone, > >> > >>Well I' am totally frustrated with bookshare and > the lack of simple > >>communication procedures. I spent a great deal of > time validating a book > >>to make as near perfect as possible including > using my wife's time which > >>she treasures dearly. I went to the step one list > to see if any of the > >>Dale Brown books that I submitted nearly three > months ago were returned, > >>only to find the book that I just validated back > on the step one list and > >>no communication from bookshare. When I checked > the notes, the > >>administrator apparently did not like the > copyright. > >> > >> Well a publisher is clearly listed as the > copyright holder. So now what > >> does it take to fix the problem! If the > administrator took a moment to > >> open the book it clearly states that the > copyright holder is the > >> publishing company as listed. Is there some > special miracle to be > >> performed? I have decided not to list the > problems that I encountered > >> with the web site, as Iwell it seems that the > designer was a mouse user > >> and could see what they were doing. > >> > >>Tom > > > > To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email > to > > bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the > subject line. 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