Ah, I see. O.k. guys, what you need to do is go to Font and then uncheck the box that says "hidden" characters. Warning for jaws readers this READS every single, punctuation and "hidden character" so we might be wanting to strangle the computer before long. It is called a "Hidden character" and you uncheck the box and wellah they appear. Still does not solve the great debate Marisa, do we send up files without the little devices or not. Shelley L. Rhodes and Judson, guiding golden juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx Guide Dogs For the Blind Inc. Graduate Advisory Council www.guidedogs.com The vision must be followed by the venture. It is not enough to stare up the steps - we must step up the stairs. -- Vance Havner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marissa Mika" <Marissa.M@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 3:40 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page Breaks in TXT files Hi Cindy, You still won't be able to upload a file that's originally in txt into rtf, if my memory serves me correctly. You can edit the txt file in Microsoft Word if you open up the txt file from the Word application. If you turn on the function that allows you to see all of the punctuation characters and symbols, you should be able to see whether or not page breaks have been maintained. Thanks, Marissa -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Cindy Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 12:19 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page Breaks in TXT files Thanks, Marissa. The squares didn't appear in the books I did before, I'm pretty sure. I think if they repeated I would have noticed and asked. I'll try another book now and follow your suggested method -- but wait. If I download a txt book and convert to Word and then RTF, which is what I did with my very first txt validation, will I be able to upload it as rtf? bookshare wouldn't accept it before except as a txt document, and then all the page breaks and italics I'd put in disappeared. I'll wait to hear from you before I download from the validation list. Cindy __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Jazz up your holiday email with celebrity designs. Learn more. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com