On the braillenote they are ed f in that order. A paragraph is ed p, and a line is ed l. Shelley L. Rhodes and Judson, guiding golden juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx Guide Dogs For the Blind Inc. Graduate Advisory Council www.guidedogs.com The vision must be followed by the venture. It is not enough to stare up the steps - we must step up the stairs. -- Vance Havner ----- Original Message ----- From: "siss52" <siss52@xxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 3:12 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page Breaks in TXT files Maybe whoever can answer about how those squares are interpreted on a speech synthesizer can tell me how they would look on a Braille display so I will know what to look for. Thanks. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marissa Mika" <Marissa.M@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 1:46 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Page Breaks in TXT files Hi Cindy, In answer to your question, you should be able to tell if a txt file has page breaks by a little symbol that looks like a square. DON'T DELETE THE SQUARES. Or you won't have page breaks. I have no idea how they sound in screen readers. They should be in the txt files you download anyway. If they're not, then we can work with the scanner of the book to save the file properly. In the file that I tested, Word put page breaks where there should have been page breaks, according to the txt file. I first opened the txt file in Word, and then saved it as an rtf file without a glitch. If people have other experiences or suggestions for how to test this Word error, let me know. Does that help? Marissa -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Cindy Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 10:46 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Paring the Download Validation list Having finally finished the book I was validating, I went to the download list to see what I might want to do next (though I'm waiting to see what books from the Fair list Marissa will send me). Those romance books that people have been complaining about and that I was willing to try to fix, if I could obtain the books, are all in txt. Until the hard page break question is answered, i.e., do we need them or is spacing between the page numbers and text o.k. -- but then what about the breaks that Word puts in where they don't belong? -- I don't want to tackle them. If they are bad, why don't we just reject them? People who want to read the books can scan them and submit them as rtf, and more of us can then validate them. And that would decrease the number of books on the list considerably, it seems to me, just from quickly eyeing how many there were, not just txt in general but those. Cindy __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Send holiday email and support a worthy cause. Do good. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com