Hi Denise. If you're a Bookshare member, it might be helpful to look at a couple of the books you've proofread in their daisy form. Then you can see what they look like and how well your chapter navigation is working. The Bookshare tool is supposed to retain bolding of text. I try to leave it intact when possible since sighted users have said they need it to easily spot key concepts in books. I'm primarily a submitter, and I do my best to fix the fonts before submission so the proofreader can just focus on the text itself. I think what you're doing is fine though. It sounds like you're already doing a lot to take care of your books. It's a pleasure to see someone who is working so carefully. (smile) I like your idea about adding quotes to your JAWS punctuation list. I'm going to do that too. It's something that never occurred to me. I'm going to dig into the Kurzweil manual and see if I can do it there too. Thanks for sharing such a helpful idea. Monica Willyard "The best way to predict the future is to create it." -- Peter Drucker _____ From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Denise Thompson Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 6:45 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text My question is- does it make a difference in Daisy to have text in bold or italix. Does Daisy keep it? I've been changing the book to TN 23 and then putting the chapter in 16 because I though that's what we've talked about doing on this list before. I use regular for both. I was under the impression that Daisy didn't like bold or other types of text atributes. So now that we're all confused as to what to do. Someone needs to decide what BKS wants us to do. All of my proofed books that I've done this with have been approved by admin so apparently admin thinks regular text is ok. I want to do what is expected, but for it keeping changing makes it difficult for those of us doing proofing. Denise At 11:47 AM 11/7/2009, you wrote: Monica, you make a good point; however, I am sure that the request to change the entire text of a submission to Times Roman 12 is in the manual. Like you, I always change fonts in my chapter titles to a larger size, but luckily I have made a note to that effect when submitting the book. However, it would be very easy to do all the work you mention and not make a note. I agree with the other Lori from a later message that I have changed the font in order to make the text more readable and also to reduce some very large fonts. In future, I will check the fonts of chapter titles before making a universal change. Lori C. . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Monica Willyard" <rhyami@xxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 10:56 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text Melissa and Lori, please, please don't do this as a principle on every book. I don't think you realize that this could do damage to someone's submission. When I submit books, I work very hard to fix the fonts so that my chapter headings are detected more easily both by sighted users and the Bookshare tools. Sighted readers use changes in the font face or font size to tell when the chapter or scene changes in a book. The current book I'm scanning uses the Arial font to indicate a chapter name and log entries when the scene changes. The rest of the text is Times New Roman. Furthermore, in many books I submit, the page numbers are at the bottom of the page. Using a larger font for the chapter names or numbers tells the Bookshare stripper that this is where a new chapter or part begins. If you change the entire document to 12 point, you would unintentionally undo the work I spend a couple of hours doing to ensure good daisy navigation for everyone. Braille and blind speech users wouldn't notice. Our members with learning disabilities would though, and I'm doing everything I can to make their reading as easy and pleasurable as ours. I hope what I'm saying doesn't sound like a lecture. It's not meant that way. I'm pleading with you to learn about how fonts work and why they matter. I used to do the same thing as you, changing mine to Times New Roman as well. Then Judy and Valerie came into my life and opened my eyes and heart to their needs. Since then I began paying attention to the fonts in my scans before submitting them. Now I make sure the fonts for chapters are correct as I strip headers in my books. This isn't an absolute thing, and it's not a show-stopper in the grand scheme of things. If you know for sure that the submitter hasn't done any work with the fonts, changing the font probably won't matter. If your screenreader won't speak the text in Word, you may have to change it to 12 point as a base. In that case, will you please consider taking the time to enlarge the font for chapter headings to 14 or 16 point? You can do that quickly by selecting the chapter name or number and pressing control right bracket in Kurzweil or shift control right bracket in Word. It will increase the point size each time you press the keystroke, and you should hear the font size when it changes. The left bracket makes the font smaller, by the way. It does take extra time to do this. I freely admit that. If you are blind like me, fonts mean very little since we can't see them. Still, I know I'd want help if something was causing my Braille books to read badly, so I take time to do it for others who need it. Monica Willyard "The best way to predict the future is to create it." -- Peter Drucker -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [ <mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Melissa Smith Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 8:31 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text I select the whole document, and set the font to Times New Roman, and 12 Point. I leave alone the box that has the style. This leaves any bold or italicized text the way it is. I do this in every book I proof. Melissa To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line. 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