[bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text
- From: "Kim Friedman" <kimfri11@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 21:13:23 -0800
Hi, Chela, yes, I have noticed that. That's the only thing about it that
bugs me. I have compensated for the typing lag in the voice by raising the
rate of the keyboard voice to 60% and that works fine for me. I'd like to
find a way to remedy matters so one can know if a word is capitalized in
some way in an unobtrusive manner, but I don't know what to do about this
one. Regards, Kim Friedman.
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From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chela Robles
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 8:03 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text
You know, real speak voices is one of the ones when I use JFW sometimes
using those voices, doesn't raise the pitch when capitalizing something,
anyone else notice that, at least the neospeech and eloquence does.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 6:46 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text
> Hi Cindy!
>
> If I am listening to a book, I can hear bold and italicized text. The
> pitch of the reading voice is different. And when I scan a book, my
> books retain the bold and italics. That's all just me. There may be
> folks whose scanning software doesn't preserve bold and italics,
> though I've never heard of one that stripped that. But anything's
> possible.
>
> Mayrie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Cindy
> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 4:03 PM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text
>
> But we don't know when we submit or upload books whether they're going
> to be converted to Daisy or not, do we? And we're supposed to keep the
> file as cl;close as possible to the print book, so I'd retain italics,
> bold, and larger fonts as needed--jmo.
>
> When one is listening to a book (is that Daisy?), does one hear
> emphasis when a word is italicized? Do you scanners listen when you
> scan? Or how do you know if words need to be italicized? The book I'm
> soon to upload I have because it needed page breaks, but as I put in
> the breaks I found I had to eye-scan the print page because there are
> a lot of words I found that hadto be changed in the file to italics.
> It was just accident that a sighted proofer happened to get this file.
> How would a blind scanner know that a book needed a sighted proofer to
> put in italics? Can the OCR be set to scan italicised words or words
> with an odd font?
>
> cindy
> Cindy
>
> Wish List (i.e., books wanted added to the collection) and
> books-being-scanned list available at sites below
>
>
>
> Wish List: https://wiki.benetech.org/display/BSO/Bookshare+Wish+List
>
> Books Being Scanned List:
> https://wiki.benetech.org/display/BSO/Books+Being+Scanned+List
>
>
> --- On Sat, 11/7/09, Bob <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> From: Bob <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text
>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 1:25 PM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> As far as I know, bold and
>> italics make no
>> difference at all. They may very well be taken out.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> "We know the future will outlast all of us, but I believe that all of
>> us will live on in the future we make,"
>> Senator Edward M. Kennedy
>>
>> ----- Original Message
>> -----
>> From:
>> Denise Thompson
>>
>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>> Sent: Sunday,
>> November 08, 2009 5:44
>> PM
>> Subject:
>> [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded
>> words in text
>>
>> My question is- does it make a
>> difference in Daisy
>> to have text in bold or italix. Does Daisy keep it?
>> I've been changing the
>> book to TN 23 and then putting the chapter in 16 because I though
>> that's what
>> we've talked about doing on this list before. I use regular for
>> both. I was
>> under the impression that Daisy didn't like bold or other types of
>> text
>> atributes. So now that we're all confused as to what to do. Someone
>> needs to
>> decide what BKS wants us to do. All of my proofed books that I've
>> done this
>> with have been approved by admin so apparently admin thinks regular
>> text is
>> ok. I want to do what is expected, but for it keeping changing
>> makes it
>> difficult for those of us doing proofing.
>>
>> Denise
>>
>>
>> At 11:47 AM
>> 11/7/2009, you wrote:
>>
>> Monica, you
>> make a good point;
>> however, I am sure that the request to change the entire text of a
>> submission to Times Roman 12 is in the manual.
>>
>> Like you, I always
>> change fonts in my chapter titles to a larger size, but luckily I
>> have made
>> a note to that effect when submitting the book.
>> However, it would be very
>> easy to do all the work you mention and not make a note.
>>
>> I agree with
>> the other Lori from a later message that I have changed the font
>> in order to
>> make the text more readable and also to reduce some very large
>> fonts.
>> In future, I will check the fonts of chapter titles before making
>> a
>> universal change.
>>
>> Lori C.
>> .
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message
>> ----- From: "Monica Willyard"
>> <rhyami@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To:
>> <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009
>> 10:56 PM
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text
>>
>>
>>
>> Melissa
>> and Lori, please,
>> please don't do this as a principle on every book.
>> I don't think you
>> realize that this could do damage to someone's submission.
>> When I
>> submit books, I work very hard to fix the fonts so that my
>> chapter
>> headings are detected more easily both by sighted users and the
>> Bookshare
>> tools. Sighted readers use changes in the font face or font
>>
>> size to tell
>> when the chapter or scene changes in a book. The current
>> book I'm scanning
>> uses the Arial font to indicate a chapter name and
>> log entries when the
>> scene changes. The rest of the text is Times New
>> Roman.
>>
>> Furthermore, in many books I submit, the page numbers are at
>> the bottom of
>> the page. Using a larger font for the chapter names or
>> numbers tells the
>> Bookshare stripper that this is where a new chapter
>> or part begins. If you
>> change the entire document to 12 point, you
>> would unintentionally undo the
>> work I spend a couple of hours doing to
>> ensure good daisy navigation for everyone. Braille and blind
>> speech
>> users wouldn't notice. Our members with learning disabilities
>> would
>> though, and I'm doing everything I can to make their reading as
>> easy
>> and pleasurable as ours.
>>
>> I hope what I'm saying doesn't sound like
>> a lecture. It's not meant that
>> way. I'm pleading with you to learn
>> about how fonts work and why they matter. I used to do the same
>> thing
>> as you, changing mine to Times New Roman as well. Then Judy and
>> Valerie
>> came into my life and opened my eyes and heart to their needs.
>> Since
>> then I began paying attention to the fonts in my scans before
>> submitting them. Now I make sure the fonts for chapters are
>> correct as
>> I strip headers in my books.
>>
>> This isn't an absolute thing, and it's
>> not a show-stopper in the grand scheme of things. If you know
>> for sure
>> that the submitter hasn't done any work with the fonts,
>> changing the
>> font probably won't matter. If your screenreader won't speak
>> the text
>> in Word, you may have to change it to 12 point as a base. In
>> that case,
>> will you please consider taking the time to enlarge the font for
>> chapter headings to 14 or 16 point? You can do that quickly by
>> selecting the chapter name or number and pressing control right
>> bracket
>> in Kurzweil or shift control right bracket in Word.
>> It will
>> increase
>> the point size each time you press the keystroke, and you
>> should hear the
>> font size when it changes. The left bracket makes the
>> font smaller, by the
>> way.
>>
>> It does take extra time to do this. I
>> freely admit that. If you are blind like me, fonts mean very
>> little
>> since we can't see them. Still, I know I'd want help if
>> something was
>> causing my Braille books to read badly, so I take time to do it
>> for
>> others who need it.
>>
>> Monica Willyard
>> "The best way to predict the
>> future is to create it." -- Peter Drucker
>>
>> -----Original
>> Message-----
>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [
>> mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Melissa
>> Smith
>> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 8:31 PM
>> To:
>> bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words
>> in text
>>
>> I select the whole document, and set the font to Times New
>> Roman, and 12
>> Point. I leave alone the box that has the style. This
>> leaves any bold or
>> italicized text the way it is. I do this in every
>> book I proof.
>>
>> Melissa
>>
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