[bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text

  • From: "Chela Robles" <cdrobles693@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 22:11:12 -0800

What version of JFW do you have? I have version 10 and could do a tandem session if you have version 10. Do you have MSN/WindowsLive Messenger or skype? What is your email address so I can write you privately? Want me to create some sound files for you? They'll be in .wav format. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Friedman" <kimfri11@xxxxxxxxxxx>

To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 9:24 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text


Chela, could you show me how to do this sort of thing, i.e., indicate the
capitalization of a word by using a sound? I'd have to know: 1. Where to get
or find the sound, 2. how to integrate it into Jaws (due to my lack of
knowledge or caution, I haven't had any intention to mess about with Jaws
settings because I wouldn't know what to do and would prefer not to crash my
computer.) and 3. I'd need a lot of details so I can understand not only
what to do but what happens when I do something and why one would do it in
the first place. You are going to be talking to a non-technogeek, so be
gentle with me and give me lots and lots of details. I should also tell you from the start that telling me to read the manual won't serve because I have
a marvelous facility for falling asleep when I start reading those things.
They aren't as exciting to read as genre fiction. Now you know. Regards, Kim
Friedman.

-----Original Message-----
From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chela Robles
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 8:00 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text

Oh yeah, setting a sound scheme for such things as bold or italics is the
most fun I've ever had, made trumpet recordings for italic and had a ding
sound for bold.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 6:46 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text


Hi Cindy and Melissa,

If one is using JAWS and microsoft Word, JAWS can be instructed to
change it's manner of speaking or to make a different sound to
indicate that bolded or italicized text is being read.  I don't know
how to achieve this, but my geeky sweetie assures me that if I wanted
to do it, he could set it up for me.  I use a different software for
proofreading.  That's why I don't employ this method.

Mayrie



-----Original Message-----
From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Melissa
Smith
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 6:31 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text

Cindy, I don't know the answers to all of your questions, but every
single book in the bookshare library is available in daisy format, as
well as a .brf or Braille file. If you are using Kurzweil, you can
have it set to speak the "emphasized text" in a different voice. The
"emphasized text" as I understand is text that is bolded or
italicized.
Kurzweil does recognize text as either being bolded or Italicized, but
it is not always accurate. It is difficult for us blind proofers and
scanners to know for sure what is supposed to be bolded or Italicized,
but if there is a pattern, it  can be figured out. For instance, in a
recent book I scanned, there were quotes from others that appeared in
italics. Kurzweil recognized it as such. I had a sighted person check
the first couple of quotes and confirmed that they were in italics, so
I knew that was the case through the rest of the book. If you choose
to, you can have your screenreader set to speak the font changes,
which I do when proofing, but not when doing my normal work.

Melissa

Cindy wrote:
But we don't know when we submit or upload books whether they're
going to
be converted to Daisy or not, do we? And we're supposed to keep the
file as cl;close as possible to the print book, so I'd retain italics,
bold, and larger fonts as needed--jmo.

When one is listening to a book (is that Daisy?), does one hear
emphasis
when a word is italicized? Do you scanners listen when you scan? Or
how do you know if words need to be italicized? The book I'm soon to
upload I have because it needed page breaks, but as I put in the
breaks I found I had to eye-scan the print page because there are a
lot of words I found that hadto be changed in the file to italics. It
was just accident that a sighted proofer happened to get this file.
How would a blind scanner know that a book needed a sighted proofer to
put in italics? Can the OCR be set to scan italicised words or words
with an odd font?

cindy
Cindy

Wish List (i.e., books wanted added to the collection) and
books-being-scanned list available at sites below



Wish List: https://wiki.benetech.org/display/BSO/Bookshare+Wish+List

Books Being Scanned List:
https://wiki.benetech.org/display/BSO/Books+Being+Scanned+List


--- On Sat, 11/7/09, Bob <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


From: Bob <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 1:25 PM







As far as I know, bold and
italics make no
difference at all. They may very well be taken out.

Bob

"We know the future will outlast all of us, but I believe that all
of us will live on in the future we make,"
Senator Edward M. Kennedy

  ----- Original Message
----- From:
  Denise Thompson

  To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx


  Sent: Sunday,
November 08, 2009 5:44
  PM
  Subject:
[bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded
  words in text

My question is- does it make a
difference in Daisy
  to have text in bold or italix. Does Daisy keep it?
I've been changing the
  book to TN 23 and then putting the chapter in 16 because I though
that's what
  we've talked about doing on this list before. I use regular for
both. I was
  under the impression that Daisy didn't like bold or other types of
text
  atributes. So now that we're all confused as to what to do.
Someone needs to
  decide what BKS wants us to do. All of my proofed books that I've
done this
  with have been approved by admin so apparently admin thinks
regular text is
  ok. I want to do what is expected, but for it keeping changing
makes it
  difficult for those of us doing proofing.

Denise


At 11:47 AM
  11/7/2009, you wrote:

  Monica, you
make a good point;
    however, I am sure that the request to change the entire text of
a
    submission to Times Roman 12 is in the manual.

Like you, I always
    change fonts in my chapter titles to a larger size, but luckily
I have made
    a note to that effect when submitting the book.
However, it would be very
    easy to do all the work you mention and not make a note.

I agree with
    the other Lori from a later message that I have changed the font
in order to
    make the text more readable and also to reduce some very large
fonts.
    In future, I will check the fonts of chapter titles before
making a
    universal change.

Lori C.
.


----- Original Message
    ----- From: "Monica Willyard"
<rhyami@xxxxxxxxx>
To:
    <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009
    10:56 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text



    Melissa
and Lori, please,
      please don't do this as a principle on every book.
I don't think you
      realize that this could do damage to someone's submission.
When I
      submit books, I work very hard to fix the fonts so that my
      chapter
headings are detected more easily both by sighted users and the
      Bookshare
tools. Sighted readers use changes in the font face or font

      size to tell
when the chapter or scene changes in a book. The current
      book I'm scanning
uses the Arial font to indicate a chapter name and
      log entries when the
scene changes. The rest of the text is Times New
      Roman.

Furthermore, in many books I submit, the page numbers are at
      the bottom of
the page. Using a larger font for the chapter names or
      numbers tells the
Bookshare stripper that this is where a new chapter
      or part begins. If you
change the entire document to 12 point, you
      would unintentionally undo the work I spend a couple of hours
doing to
      ensure good daisy navigation for everyone. Braille and blind
speech
      users wouldn't notice. Our members with learning disabilities
would
      though, and I'm doing everything I can to make their reading
as easy
      and pleasurable as ours.

I hope what I'm saying doesn't sound like
      a lecture. It's not meant that way. I'm pleading with you to
learn
      about how fonts work and why they matter. I used to do the
same thing
      as you, changing mine to Times New Roman as well. Then Judy
and Valerie
      came into my life and opened my eyes and heart to their needs.
Since
      then I began paying attention to the fonts in my scans before
      submitting them. Now I make sure the fonts for chapters are
correct as
      I strip headers in my books.

This isn't an absolute thing, and it's
      not a show-stopper in the grand scheme of things. If you know
for sure
      that the submitter hasn't done any work with the fonts,
changing the
      font probably won't matter. If your screenreader won't speak
the text
      in Word, you may have to change it to 12 point as a base. In
that case,
      will you please consider taking the time to enlarge the font
for
      chapter headings to 14 or 16 point? You can do that quickly by
      selecting the chapter name or number and pressing control
right bracket
      in Kurzweil or shift control right bracket in Word.
It will
      increase
the point size each time you press the keystroke, and you
      should hear the
font size when it changes. The left bracket makes the
      font smaller, by the
way.

It does take extra time to do this. I
      freely admit that. If you are blind like me, fonts mean very
little
      since we can't see them. Still, I know I'd want help if
something was
      causing my Braille books to read badly, so I take time to do
it for
      others who need it.

Monica Willyard
"The best way to predict the
      future is to create it." -- Peter Drucker

-----Original
      Message-----
From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[
      mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Melissa
      Smith
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 8:31 PM
To:
      bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words
      in text

I select the whole document, and set the font to Times New
      Roman, and 12
Point. I leave alone the box that has the style. This
      leaves any bold or
italicized text the way it is. I do this in every
      book I proof.

Melissa


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