[badgerstatevolunteers] Re: Leaders
- From: Nathan C Golding <goldingn@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: badgerstatevolunteers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:08:21 -0600 (CST)
I have not asked my Grandpa yet about camping on his farm. I was planning on
doing it on the 18 or the 19 of this month when I would be visiting him and
helping him cut down trees along his fence line. I am 99% sure we would let us
camp on his land for a night or two it is just a mater of what we can do on it
and what date. I will let you know ASAP what he says.
Boy Scout
----- Original Message -----
From: "kevin Joyner" <joynerkev@xxxxxxxxx>
To: badgerstatevolunteers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: "lomax" <chac2ook@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 9:21:20 AM
Subject: [badgerstatevolunteers] Re: Leaders
Exactly Lomax. When I was doing almost everything in this group it worked
pretty good until I had work stuff come up that put me out for a couple of
months. When I came back the group had gone dead and nothing at all happened
in my absence. There wasn't even internet chatter. Spike, what you need to do
is to wrap your head around this concept to which you are not familiar and
figure it out. You have tunnel vision when it comes to your concepts which
isn't the worst thing in many cases but gets really counterproductive when you
keep harping and insisting on it. There is a reason we keep shooting it down.
First of all because we have witnessed the failure. Second because as Lomax
has suggested, people easily become dependent upon a leader. We are a GROUP
who teaches INDEPENDENCE as well as being able to work with a group cohesively.
Not how to follow and become dependent upon a leader. What we are doing is
not like everything else. WE DO NOT NEED A POTATO!!! I for one am finished
playing hot potato. There, whew! Somebody get me a shot of whiskey, a
punching bag (socialists and commies count), and a ticket to some place warm. I
need a vacation! Haha
Okay so since you brought it up
We have had Google, WRAM, Facebook, cell phone, tri square, and designs to move
to VHF for weeks now and still not everyone is up to speed.
This is a financial issue plain and simple and doesn't require a consensus or a
committee to figure that out. Personally I'm saving up for mine and that's
about the best we can do. We can't force anyone to do this. I have done the
research that was supposed to have been done and have the topic ready for
discussion at the next meeting.
For example: I do not know who can or cannot get into Google.
Go to the google group and look to see who is a member of the group. Problem
solved, no committee needed. You already knew that the google group was
invitation only because it was discussed.
Who are the web people and is there a back up plan? Who do I pose these
questions to? I know lets call them a potato.
Why should you pose your question to just one person? We have these groups for
a reason. Oddly enough, that's why they are called groups. If you wish to
address an individual then you have their email address phone number ect... If
you don't then ask them for it. They'll give it to you if they want you to
have it. Everyone in this group has a pretty broad array of knowledge to be
shared. It would be a shame to narrow it down to just one answer from one
person.
"How many times have we turned around because of going the wrong way?"
Well not that many times, twice I think. The first time I let you figure it
out because you needed to learn it. I even mentioned it to someone as we were
walking that we were probably going the wrong way. But that's how hard lessons
are learned and now is the time to learn them when we have the luxury of doing
so without necessity. Sounds like you learned something there so it's a
winner. We also got some much needed exercise out of the deal. Another win!
The second time didn't really count. It was just an oops my bad while we were
heading out to McMiller. He knew how to get there already, it was just human
error.
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 7:50 AM, lomax < chac2ook@xxxxxxxxx > wrote:
LOL....ok french fry, consensus is a good thing, I think the leadership
concept, more than anything else releases the rest of the group from critical
thinking and people will have a tendancy to wait for the leader to start some
thing up. The structure concept for the meetings however is easy. Anyone can
set a topic for the meeting, each person that comes up with a topic brings
their concerns and research to the meeting and takes the lead in the
discussion. Personally Spike, I'm not sure what you're looking for, are you
looking for someone to give directives? Make assignments? We seem to be moving
in the right direction. So far in review, as a group we have chosen and tested
close quarter coms, field tested a variety of gear and have decided which works
best, ie; GI sleep system vs Walmart Sleeping bag. We've tried a variety of
foods, cooking and hydration systems, and have a couple of range outings under
our belts. We have decided on one firm bivy point and have 2 or 3 more
potential sites pending, I repeat, as a group, without a Potato. Right now X is
working on an SOP for future outings and such and for the next meeting we can
discuss an SOP for meeting structure. I prefer a leaderless system only because
it eliminates pissing contests and because everyone has something to bring to
the table and should be able to take the lead in their area of expertise. Boy
Scout, have you asked your Grampa about us camping out on his land? Just
curious.
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 2:45 AM, Joe < virtualadonis@xxxxxxxxxxx > wrote:
I say leader you say potato. WTF
Everyone here gets what I am saying.
I am vary pleased with the leaps our communications has made since my first
meeting. We have had Google, WRAM, Facebook, cell phone, tri square, and
designs to move to VHF for weeks now and still not everyone is up to speed. For
example: I do not know who can or cannot get into Google. We should all be
involved in setting those rules. No? Who are the web people and is there a back
up plan? Who do I pose these questions to? I know lets call them a potato.
How many times have we turned around because of going the wrong way?
Please don’t just answer here. Lets talk and make decision through consensus.
Structure is all we are missing. Whatever you want to call it “potato” needs to
happen for us to be successful.
The structuring of the group should be the topic of the next meeting.
Is that to much to ask? LMAO By the way; some of us could stand to drop and
blast out 20. So get to it! Up down one. Up down two...
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freeman lomax
www.1revolutionnow.com
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Kevin J
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“Far Better it is to Dare Mighty Things than to take rank with those poor,
timid spirits Who know Neither Victory nor Defeat.”
Theodore Roosevelt
"I was not delivered unto this world in defeat,
nor does failure course in my veins. I am not a
sheep waiting to be prodded by my shepherd. I
am a lion and I refuse to talk, to walk, to sleep
with the sheep. I will hear not those who weep
and complain, for their disease is contagious. Let
them join the sheep. The slaughterhouse of failure
is not my destiny.
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