I'm having a problem however spelling our group "howl" something like;...oooooooharrrrrgh!!!!! On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 10:44 AM, lomax <chac2ook@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I'm doing an SOP for meeting "structure" that we can chew on at the next > meet. > > > On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Shawn Wilkerson <tatz1977@xxxxxxxxx>wrote: > >> I'll help too. As for the leader stuff we can about it at th next >> meet.. >> >> >> --- On *Fri, 3/11/11, kevin Joyner <joynerkev@xxxxxxxxx>* wrote: >> >> >> From: kevin Joyner <joynerkev@xxxxxxxxx> >> Subject: [badgerstatevolunteers] Re: Leaders >> >> To: badgerstatevolunteers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Cc: "lomax" <chac2ook@xxxxxxxxx> >> Date: Friday, March 11, 2011, 10:27 AM >> >> >> I would be glad to help too. Actually I would almost require it. >> Otherwise I would feel like a freeloader. >> >> On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 10:22 AM, lomax >> <chac2ook@xxxxxxxxx<http://us.mc1617.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=chac2ook@xxxxxxxxx> >> > wrote: >> >> Hey, I,m not apposed to helping out on the farm to show my gratittude, let >> me know if y'all need some help with something. Does he plant, that would be >> an awesome meeting and we could help grampa out at the same time. We talk >> alot about growing and that it takes about an acre per person to survive, >> has anyone ever actually planted an acre of land? It's a bit different than >> a backyard garden. >> >> On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Nathan C Golding >> <goldingn@xxxxxxxxxxx<http://us.mc1617.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=goldingn@xxxxxxxxxxx> >> > wrote: >> >> I have not asked my Grandpa yet about camping on his farm. I was planning >> on doing it on the 18 or the 19 of this month when I would be visiting him >> and helping him cut down trees along his fence line. I am 99% sure we would >> let us camp on his land for a night or two it is just a mater of what we can >> do on it and what date. I will let you know ASAP what he says. >> >> Boy Scout >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "kevin Joyner" >> <joynerkev@xxxxxxxxx<http://us.mc1617.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=joynerkev@xxxxxxxxx> >> > >> To: >> badgerstatevolunteers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<http://us.mc1617.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=badgerstatevolunteers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Cc: "lomax" >> <chac2ook@xxxxxxxxx<http://us.mc1617.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=chac2ook@xxxxxxxxx> >> > >> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 9:21:20 AM >> Subject: [badgerstatevolunteers] Re: Leaders >> >> Exactly Lomax. When I was doing almost everything in this group it worked >> pretty good until I had work stuff come up that put me out for a couple of >> months. When I came back the group had gone dead and nothing at all >> happened in my absence. There wasn't even internet chatter. Spike, what you >> need to do is to wrap your head around this concept to which you are not >> familiar and figure it out. You have tunnel vision when it comes to your >> concepts which isn't the worst thing in many cases but gets really >> counterproductive when you keep harping and insisting on it. There is a >> reason we keep shooting it down. First of all because we have witnessed the >> failure. Second because as Lomax has suggested, people easily become >> dependent upon a leader. We are a GROUP who teaches INDEPENDENCE as well as >> being able to work with a group cohesively. Not how to follow and become >> dependent upon a leader. What we are doing is not like everything else. WE >> DO NOT NEED A POTATO!!! I for one am finished playing hot potato. There, >> whew! Somebody get me a shot of whiskey, a punching bag (socialists and >> commies count), and a ticket to some place warm. I need a vacation! Haha >> >> Okay so since you brought it up >> We have had Google, WRAM, Facebook, cell phone, tri square, and designs to >> move to VHF for weeks now and still not everyone is up to speed. >> This is a financial issue plain and simple and doesn't require a consensus >> or a committee to figure that out. Personally I'm saving up for mine and >> that's about the best we can do. We can't force anyone to do this. I have >> done the research that was supposed to have been done and have the topic >> ready for discussion at the next meeting. >> >> For example: I do not know who can or cannot get into Google. >> Go to the google group and look to see who is a member of the group. >> Problem solved, no committee needed. You already knew that the google >> group was invitation only because it was discussed. >> >> Who are the web people and is there a back up plan? Who do I pose these >> questions to? I know lets call them a potato. >> Why should you pose your question to just one person? We have these >> groups for a reason. Oddly enough, that's why they are called groups. If >> you wish to address an individual then you have their email address phone >> number ect... If you don't then ask them for it. They'll give it to you if >> they want you to have it. Everyone in this group has a pretty broad array >> of knowledge to be shared. It would be a shame to narrow it down to just >> one answer from one person. >> >> "How many times have we turned around because of going the wrong way?" >> Well not that many times, twice I think. The first time I let you figure >> it out because you needed to learn it. I even mentioned it to someone as we >> were walking that we were probably going the wrong way. But that's how hard >> lessons are learned and now is the time to learn them when we have the >> luxury of doing so without necessity. Sounds like you learned something >> there so it's a winner. We also got some much needed exercise out of the >> deal. Another win! >> The second time didn't really count. It was just an oops my bad while we >> were heading out to McMiller. He knew how to get there already, it was just >> human error. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 7:50 AM, lomax < >> chac2ook@xxxxxxxxx<http://us.mc1617.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=chac2ook@xxxxxxxxx>> >> wrote: >> >> >> LOL....ok french fry, consensus is a good thing, I think the leadership >> concept, more than anything else releases the rest of the group from >> critical thinking and people will have a tendancy to wait for the leader to >> start some thing up. The structure concept for the meetings however is easy. >> Anyone can set a topic for the meeting, each person that comes up with a >> topic brings their concerns and research to the meeting and takes the lead >> in the discussion. Personally Spike, I'm not sure what you're looking for, >> are you looking for someone to give directives? Make assignments? We seem to >> be moving in the right direction. So far in review, as a group we have >> chosen and tested close quarter coms, field tested a variety of gear and >> have decided which works best, ie; GI sleep system vs Walmart Sleeping bag. >> We've tried a variety of foods, cooking and hydration systems, and have a >> couple of range outings under our belts. We have decided on one firm bivy >> point and have 2 or 3 more potential sites pending, I repeat, as a group, >> without a Potato. Right now X is working on an SOP for future outings and >> such and for the next meeting we can discuss an SOP for meeting structure. I >> prefer a leaderless system only because it eliminates pissing contests and >> because everyone has something to bring to the table and should be able to >> take the lead in their area of expertise. Boy Scout, have you asked your >> Grampa about us camping out on his land? Just curious. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 2:45 AM, Joe < >> virtualadonis@xxxxxxxxxxx<http://us.mc1617.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=virtualadonis@xxxxxxxxxxx>> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I say leader you say potato. WTF >> >> Everyone here gets what I am saying. >> >> I am vary pleased with the leaps our communications has made since my >> first meeting. We have had Google, WRAM, Facebook, cell phone, tri square, >> and designs to move to VHF for weeks now and still not everyone is up to >> speed. For example: I do not know who can or cannot get into Google. We >> should all be involved in setting those rules. No? Who are the web people >> and is there a back up plan? Who do I pose these questions to? I know lets >> call them a potato. >> >> How many times have we turned around because of going the wrong way? >> >> Please don’t just answer here. Lets talk and make decision through >> consensus. >> >> >> Structure is all we are missing. Whatever you want to call it “potato” >> needs to happen for us to be successful. >> >> The structuring of the group should be the topic of the next meeting. >> >> Is that to much to ask? LMAO By the way; some of us could stand to drop >> and blast out 20. So get to it! Up down one. Up down two... >> >> >> -- >> >> >> freeman lomax >> www.1revolutionnow.com >> >> >> >> -- >> -- >> Kevin J >> ==================== >> “Far Better it is to Dare Mighty Things than to take rank with those poor, >> timid spirits Who know Neither Victory nor Defeat.” >> Theodore Roosevelt >> >> "I was not delivered unto this world in defeat, >> nor does failure course in my veins. I am not a >> sheep waiting to be prodded by my shepherd. I >> am a lion and I refuse to talk, to walk, to sleep >> with the sheep. I will hear not those who weep >> and complain, for their disease is contagious. Let >> them join the sheep. The slaughterhouse of failure >> is not my destiny. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> ** >> *freeman lomax* >> *www.1revolutionnow.com* >> >> >> >> >> -- >> -- >> Kevin J >> ==================== >> “Far Better it is to Dare Mighty Things than to take rank with those poor, >> timid spirits Who know Neither Victory nor Defeat.” >> Theodore Roosevelt >> >> "I was not delivered unto this world in defeat, >> nor does failure course in my veins. I am not a >> sheep waiting to be prodded by my shepherd. I >> am a lion and I refuse to talk, to walk, to sleep >> with the sheep. I will hear not those who weep >> and complain, for their disease is contagious. Let >> them join the sheep. The slaughterhouse of failure >> is not my destiny. >> >> >> >> > > > -- > ** > *freeman lomax* > *www.1revolutionnow.com* > > -- ** *freeman lomax* *www.1revolutionnow.com*