[badgerstatevolunteers] Re: Leaders
- From: kevin Joyner <joynerkev@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: badgerstatevolunteers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:27:28 -0600
I would be glad to help too. Actually I would almost require it. Otherwise
I would feel like a freeloader.
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 10:22 AM, lomax <chac2ook@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hey, I,m not apposed to helping out on the farm to show my gratittude, let
> me know if y'all need some help with something. Does he plant, that would be
> an awesome meeting and we could help grampa out at the same time. We talk
> alot about growing and that it takes about an acre per person to survive,
> has anyone ever actually planted an acre of land? It's a bit different than
> a backyard garden.
>
> On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Nathan C Golding
> <goldingn@xxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
>> I have not asked my Grandpa yet about camping on his farm. I was planning
>> on doing it on the 18 or the 19 of this month when I would be visiting him
>> and helping him cut down trees along his fence line. I am 99% sure we would
>> let us camp on his land for a night or two it is just a mater of what we can
>> do on it and what date. I will let you know ASAP what he says.
>>
>> Boy Scout
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "kevin Joyner" <joynerkev@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: badgerstatevolunteers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Cc: "lomax" <chac2ook@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 9:21:20 AM
>> Subject: [badgerstatevolunteers] Re: Leaders
>>
>> Exactly Lomax. When I was doing almost everything in this group it worked
>> pretty good until I had work stuff come up that put me out for a couple of
>> months. When I came back the group had gone dead and nothing at all
>> happened in my absence. There wasn't even internet chatter. Spike, what you
>> need to do is to wrap your head around this concept to which you are not
>> familiar and figure it out. You have tunnel vision when it comes to your
>> concepts which isn't the worst thing in many cases but gets really
>> counterproductive when you keep harping and insisting on it. There is a
>> reason we keep shooting it down. First of all because we have witnessed the
>> failure. Second because as Lomax has suggested, people easily become
>> dependent upon a leader. We are a GROUP who teaches INDEPENDENCE as well as
>> being able to work with a group cohesively. Not how to follow and become
>> dependent upon a leader. What we are doing is not like everything else. WE
>> DO NOT NEED A POTATO!!! I for one am finished playing hot potato. There,
>> whew! Somebody get me a shot of whiskey, a punching bag (socialists and
>> commies count), and a ticket to some place warm. I need a vacation! Haha
>>
>> Okay so since you brought it up
>> We have had Google, WRAM, Facebook, cell phone, tri square, and designs to
>> move to VHF for weeks now and still not everyone is up to speed.
>> This is a financial issue plain and simple and doesn't require a consensus
>> or a committee to figure that out. Personally I'm saving up for mine and
>> that's about the best we can do. We can't force anyone to do this. I have
>> done the research that was supposed to have been done and have the topic
>> ready for discussion at the next meeting.
>>
>> For example: I do not know who can or cannot get into Google.
>> Go to the google group and look to see who is a member of the group.
>> Problem solved, no committee needed. You already knew that the google
>> group was invitation only because it was discussed.
>>
>> Who are the web people and is there a back up plan? Who do I pose these
>> questions to? I know lets call them a potato.
>> Why should you pose your question to just one person? We have these
>> groups for a reason. Oddly enough, that's why they are called groups. If
>> you wish to address an individual then you have their email address phone
>> number ect... If you don't then ask them for it. They'll give it to you if
>> they want you to have it. Everyone in this group has a pretty broad array
>> of knowledge to be shared. It would be a shame to narrow it down to just
>> one answer from one person.
>>
>> "How many times have we turned around because of going the wrong way?"
>> Well not that many times, twice I think. The first time I let you figure
>> it out because you needed to learn it. I even mentioned it to someone as we
>> were walking that we were probably going the wrong way. But that's how hard
>> lessons are learned and now is the time to learn them when we have the
>> luxury of doing so without necessity. Sounds like you learned something
>> there so it's a winner. We also got some much needed exercise out of the
>> deal. Another win!
>> The second time didn't really count. It was just an oops my bad while we
>> were heading out to McMiller. He knew how to get there already, it was just
>> human error.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 7:50 AM, lomax < chac2ook@xxxxxxxxx > wrote:
>>
>>
>> LOL....ok french fry, consensus is a good thing, I think the leadership
>> concept, more than anything else releases the rest of the group from
>> critical thinking and people will have a tendancy to wait for the leader to
>> start some thing up. The structure concept for the meetings however is easy.
>> Anyone can set a topic for the meeting, each person that comes up with a
>> topic brings their concerns and research to the meeting and takes the lead
>> in the discussion. Personally Spike, I'm not sure what you're looking for,
>> are you looking for someone to give directives? Make assignments? We seem to
>> be moving in the right direction. So far in review, as a group we have
>> chosen and tested close quarter coms, field tested a variety of gear and
>> have decided which works best, ie; GI sleep system vs Walmart Sleeping bag.
>> We've tried a variety of foods, cooking and hydration systems, and have a
>> couple of range outings under our belts. We have decided on one firm bivy
>> point and have 2 or 3 more potential sites pending, I repeat, as a group,
>> without a Potato. Right now X is working on an SOP for future outings and
>> such and for the next meeting we can discuss an SOP for meeting structure. I
>> prefer a leaderless system only because it eliminates pissing contests and
>> because everyone has something to bring to the table and should be able to
>> take the lead in their area of expertise. Boy Scout, have you asked your
>> Grampa about us camping out on his land? Just curious.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 2:45 AM, Joe < virtualadonis@xxxxxxxxxxx > wrote:
>>
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>> I say leader you say potato. WTF
>>
>> Everyone here gets what I am saying.
>>
>> I am vary pleased with the leaps our communications has made since my
>> first meeting. We have had Google, WRAM, Facebook, cell phone, tri square,
>> and designs to move to VHF for weeks now and still not everyone is up to
>> speed. For example: I do not know who can or cannot get into Google. We
>> should all be involved in setting those rules. No? Who are the web people
>> and is there a back up plan? Who do I pose these questions to? I know lets
>> call them a potato.
>>
>> How many times have we turned around because of going the wrong way?
>>
>> Please don’t just answer here. Lets talk and make decision through
>> consensus.
>>
>>
>> Structure is all we are missing. Whatever you want to call it “potato”
>> needs to happen for us to be successful.
>>
>> The structuring of the group should be the topic of the next meeting.
>>
>> Is that to much to ask? LMAO By the way; some of us could stand to drop
>> and blast out 20. So get to it! Up down one. Up down two...
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
>> freeman lomax
>> www.1revolutionnow.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> Kevin J
>> ====================
>> “Far Better it is to Dare Mighty Things than to take rank with those poor,
>> timid spirits Who know Neither Victory nor Defeat.”
>> Theodore Roosevelt
>>
>> "I was not delivered unto this world in defeat,
>> nor does failure course in my veins. I am not a
>> sheep waiting to be prodded by my shepherd. I
>> am a lion and I refuse to talk, to walk, to sleep
>> with the sheep. I will hear not those who weep
>> and complain, for their disease is contagious. Let
>> them join the sheep. The slaughterhouse of failure
>> is not my destiny.
>>
>>
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> *freeman lomax*
> *www.1revolutionnow.com*
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Kevin J
====================
“Far Better it is to Dare Mighty Things than to take rank with those poor,
timid spirits Who know Neither Victory nor Defeat.”
Theodore Roosevelt
"I was not delivered unto this world in defeat,
nor does failure course in my veins. I am not a
sheep waiting to be prodded by my shepherd. I
am a lion and I refuse to talk, to walk, to sleep
with the sheep. I will hear not those who weep
and complain, for their disease is contagious. Let
them join the sheep. The slaughterhouse of failure
is not my destiny.
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