Thanks to all for your input. I'll try some of your suggestions especially ones from Dean and Brian. While I didn't indicate my hopes were to seen stars down to 4th mag in a Telrad. Seems like this requirement has not only been met but was far exceeded by, shall I say it, orders of magnitude. Reason for the question? I'm considering a replacement of my 9X50 finder with a Telrad and set the limit at 4th mag for the go/no go decision. Now to look at Telrads. Again, thanks to all of your input. AJ Crayon Phoenix, AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "AJ Crayon" <acrayon@xxxxxxx> To: "SAC Forum" <sac-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "AZ Observing" <AZ-Observing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 6:27 PM Subject: [AZ-Observing] Telrad stellar limit No, this doesn't have anything to do with the human Telrad, Rick Tejera. Sorry 'bout that Rick. To those that have Telrads as finders on a telescope - what is the stellar limit range you have seen? I'm not interested in the averted vision limit, if averted vision is even possible. Nor am I interested in the limit based on waiting for a moment of better seeing condition, or even using a hood. The limit that is of interest is what can be reasonably seen, especially while varying the red lit concentric circles. Obviously the brighter the circles the harder it is to see the stellar limit. Turning the intensity down, to even off, would give the better chances for seeing the lower limit. It is expected this lower limit would be a range based on a number of observations from a number of observers. It is the range that is of more interest than just one number. For example one observer may have seen 4th mag and another 6th mag. That's the kind of range of interest. AJ Crayon Phoenix, AZ -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list. -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.