Digital setting circles? You did not mention that originally. I have a = 20x80 finder as well as a Telrad for my C11. I used to use both when = I'd go out to the desert, but on the last four trips, I left the finder = at home and got along just fine. Once you align on two or more = calibration stars, DSCs take all the guesswork and star hopping out of = it allowing you to navigate with ease. =20 And please, no one jump my case about not star hopping. I did that for = 20 years and decided with what time I have left on this earth to take = the express jet to the fun spots and enjoy myself. Richard Harshaw Cave Creek, AZ -----Original Message----- From: az-observing-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx = [mailto:az-observing-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of AJ Crayon Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 2:06 PM To: az-observing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: cal_donley@xxxxxxx Subject: [AZ-Observing] Re: Telrad stellar limit Mike, the primary reason for replacing the finder with Telrad is for = easier=20 recalibration of digital setting circles. Currently some bright deep = sky=20 object that can be seen in the finder is used. For me, the finder is = rather=20 awkward to aim and I want something that is easier and the Telrad fits = this=20 nicely. Instead of deep sky objects, bright stars can be used. My = concern=20 was the magnitude limit and this discussion has adequately answered that = question for me. The Telrad is adequate, in fact it is more than = adequate. Secondary reasons are, as you indicated, space and balance. I'm now in market for Telrad and will put finder up for sale, but only = after=20 selecting some bright stars for alignment and loading them into the XP4 = Sky=20 Commander. Thanks to all for your excellent comments and in sight. AJ Crayon Phoenix, AZ -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.