AJ; I have never looked at it in this way, but I would guess that my limit = is something like 5th magnitude on a 7/10 night. Something like Cherry = Road on a good night. From the backyard in the lights of Phoenix, I would go = for 3rd magnitude on a night with no Moon. I can see all the stars in the = major figure of Leo or Orion without trouble. Hope that helps; Steve Coe -----Original Message----- From: az-observing-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:az-observing-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of AJ Crayon Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 6:27 PM To: SAC Forum; AZ Observing Subject: [AZ-Observing] Telrad stellar limit No, this doesn't have anything to do with the human Telrad, Rick Tejera. Sorry 'bout that Rick. To those that have Telrads as finders on a telescope - what is the = stellar limit range you have seen? I'm not interested in the averted vision = limit, if averted vision is even possible. Nor am I interested in the limit = based on waiting for a moment of better seeing condition, or even using a = hood. The limit that is of interest is what can be reasonably seen, especially while varying the red lit concentric circles. Obviously the brighter = the circles the harder it is to see the stellar limit. Turning the = intensity down, to even off, would give the better chances for seeing the lower = limit. It is expected this lower limit would be a range based on a number of observations from a number of observers. It is the range that is of = more interest than just one number. For example one observer may have seen = 4th mag and another 6th mag. That's the kind of range of interest. AJ Crayon Phoenix, AZ -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and = please=20 send personal replies to the author, not the list. -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.