[audio-pals] Re: Current Affairs
- From: "Josh" <lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 18:45:00 -0500
I am telling you what whoever can’t see this mess we are in needs to one as I
said earlier quit drinking the Kool-Aid and 2 make an appointment with a
psychiatrist to get on some meds *LOL*.
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Subject: [audio-pals] Re: Current Affairs
That just brought up another thing. They talk about the unemployment dropping,
well the way they get that to drop is to not count the people who have given up
looking for work. So eventually the numbers get better. Well they still have
all of those people out there, so may as well send them to school for 2 years,
that can kick the can down the road for 2 years. If it was JTPA or something
else like that they could only kick it down the road for a few months or so.
So they do realize there’s an unemployed monster under the bed.
Also unemployment in minority communities has increased even more so under
Obama.
They also keep delaying the corporate pay outs for Obama care too, that is
because if they exact them the economy would crash. So they keep putting that
off till now after Obama will leave office. If the new congress cuts the
funding structure of Obama care which is what they are wanting to do, Obama
care will then funnel into Medicade. So then the pressure will be on to expand
Medicade’s funding. Well that was done in the late 80s and it was a disaster.
On Jan 22, 2015, at 1:37 PM, BethAnn LaPresta (Redacted sender
"bela28_02@xxxxxxxxx" for DMARC) <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Saying that everyone should be "entitled" to free community college tuition is
just a repackaged Obamacare for education. Another subsidized program that the
working class will pay for...in spades for generations to come. Obamacare was
touted as being affordable, you could keep your doctor, and you could keep your
plan. By-the-way, I had my existing insurance plan cancelled by my insurer (I
was private pay then) because it didn't meet the Obamacare requirements. If
government is so good at creating things (instead of the marketplace), why does
every new rollout of something "helpful" (ie Cash for Clunkers, Obamacare,
etc)--end up creating a budget deficit? I'm just askin'...
In case it isn't obvious, I am with you on this one Josh. But then, hey at
45--maybe I will go to college for a couple years on the government's dime and
see if that gets me a "better" job...
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From: Josh <lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 11:24 AM
Subject: [audio-pals] Current Affairs
I am currently in a debate that is not going real well for the other person
best I can tell, but I am a bit biased and I understand this since I am a
participant in this debate. I probably have already stated my stance on this
here once before, but nonetheless what do you all think about America’s
Promise. My thoughts obviously are not party affiliated because the one that
originally stated this was a Tennessee Governor who is a Republican. I can see
if it was Obama only that generated this how it would be considered the party
or the person. Anyways For the people that do not know, America’s Promise
involves giving high school graduates 2 years of free college. I will go and
get the post and you all can read it before giving me your feedback. He says
someone is going to pay for this. I agree someone will pay, but I am thinking
that they are not thinking pay the way I am thinking pay, but I also agree that
someone will pay in order for this to occur, someone like the American people
whether they take advantage of this free schooling or not. However, I hijacked
the post, I know, me hijack a thred, that is ludicrous, but I did keep it
relevant *LOL*. I argue that this will weaken the degrees, I argue that not
everyone wants to go to college, I argue that employers are going to require
more in order to get a job. What do you all think? Am I off base with this
argument? Do you all have an opinion regarding this? I bring it here because I
feel like Gary’s last post is starting to grasp at straws a bit and starts to
take a different direction in defending what I asked him to defend. I look
forward to hearing your all’s thoughts regarding this.
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<https://m.facebook.com/brian.hudson.562?fref=nf&refid=52&__tn__=C> Brian
Mr. President I'm sorry, but I had to pay for my college education along with
everyone else I know who earned a college degree. Many of us have the student
loans to prove it. If I had to pay for it then everyone should have to pay for
it.
College education is not free Mr. President someone will have to pay for it
eventually. And I refuse to pay for anyone else's education because no one but
myself paid for mine.
Nothing worth having comes easy or free it must be earned with hard work.
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Gary
Progression...it has to start somewhere.
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Ryan
So if you buy, lets say, an xbox 360, at launch for 500$, and then next year
they lower the price to 349$... do you write back to microsoft and the vendor
demanding they raise the price back up... because freeloaders are now getting a
free 150$ subsidy that you didn't get.
You can't move forward if your crippled by revenge thinking... that just
because that opportunity didn't exist for you, it shouldn't exist for anyone.
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Robert
I don't think he heard you
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Gary
The President also mentioned if you're out of school with existing students
loan payments, he wants to pass his budget to lower student loan payments across
the board.
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Robert
Also the free two years of community college was pioneered by none other a
republican governor, Tennessee's own Bill Haslam
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Noah
I'd rather pay to educate our fellow citizens and give them skill sets that
will allow them to be productive in society than pay taxes that go to government
assistance. I too have a grotesque amount of student loans! I just feel like
this is something that could actually lower the costs and taxes associated
with government assistance and unemployment. Also, as a parent of two, this
will help tremendously to assure that my kids can go on to better theirselves
through higher education. Pay it on the front end and receive the benefits on
the back end.
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Stephie
It is not free, they will be required to do community service hours with
non-profit organizations, in exchange. It is a give~give situation. I have had
the opportunity of receiving grants, scholarships, having to pay out of my
pocket, and getting student loans for my degrees. I don't have a hand out for
free education but have no problem giving back because I received. There are
ways to get our student loan debts lowered, many, one being working with
AmeriCore.
There are many options already, this just enhanced opportunities for the middle
class who's parents make too much to qualify for fin. aid but don't make
enough to pay for education.
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Me (Josh):
The associate degree will be no better than a high school diploma in the future
if this takes hold. This of course is just my opinion.
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Gary
Associate degree isn't really that much better than a high school diploma
already. I think more people will have chance to get a bachelor's degree if two
years is already paid for. I think the incentive would be there for it. Btw
it's not like if this passes everyone will instantly have a associates
degree...you
still have to maintain a certain grade average. You'll have to work for it.
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Tara
called earning your degree
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Me (Josh):
This may be true, but flip the coin. What if a person doesn't want to go to
college, what if they just want to graduate from high school and get a job.
Now that college is being made available for free, 2-years, does this mean
that employers that ordinarily would not have required a degree are now going
to require a degree? If this is indeed the case, then we have now essentially
further limited job availability, rather than promoted job growth. If you
do not think this is the case with employers wanting people that are going to
work hard for them then tell me why because Gary pointed out that a person
will still have to work for their degree. Employers know this too and they have
no reason not to raise the requirements if everyone has the opportunity
to go to school for free. Likewise the bachelor's degree will be weakened as
well. Diversity is here for a reason.
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Stephie
I am working on my third college degree, I do not go to school for a job or for
more money.. I go to school because I enjoy learning!
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Gary
I think we all can agree furthering education for everyone in the future will
better humanity and this country as a whole. There's a reason why the United
States ranks so low in education, because other counties who rank higher
already offer these programs. Everyone has an opportunity to take advantage of
this...There's no age requirements, you just have to work for it. I think the
whole argument if everyone does it it'll dumb down the value of a certain
degree is something manifested by fear. It's the same argument people have if
you're against raising the minimum wage. People believe small businesses
will go under or prices will inflate..is completely untrue. 10 major cities in
the U.S. has already adapted a higher minimum wage and four more states
are about to approve it. Those cities and states who already did it isn't
collapsing, isn't inflating cost. All it's doing is building the economy. Same
will happen if you give people an opportunity for higher learning. Yes it'll
drive competition, but that will equal better business and better pay. Better
pay will mean more taxes to collect for even better programs for this country
to benefit from.
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