[audio-pals] Re: Current Affairs
- From: Thomas McMahan <thomas.mcmahan@xxxxxxx>
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- Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 00:20:12 -0600
Yes, but that is common sense which doesn’t protect the corrupt and there are
people who gain by people being stupid and those people seem to team up a lot
together.
> On Jan 24, 2015, at 11:54 PM, Josh <lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> If they properly prepare the younger generations while they are in the K-12
> grades then they will be smarter, they will be prepared to go to college,
> they will feel like they can go to college and succeed, they will be prepared
> to calculate someone’s change without the use of the cash register. Focus on
> these grades and then the poster “Gary” can quit screaming about America
> being the lowest ranked in education. College’s are having to dumb down the
> material they teach in order to have people graduate because they are not
> getting the skills they need in grade school.
>
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> Depends on the district. Many urban or what they call inner city schools,
> it’s all a matter of just showing up and thats all they care about.
> There are of course some exceptions, but there are plenty that are just bad
> and people leave them or graduate and yet still don’t even sometime have
> basic skills yet they are expected to handle College? Granted the work load
> of a 2 year college is quite a bit less than a 4 year college, but still.
>> On Jan 22, 2015, at 6:13 PM, Devin Prater <r.d.t.prater@xxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:r.d.t.prater@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>
>> Well, as a senior in the last stages of.being programmed, I hate the way
>> education is going. People tell me I have so much skill at writing, then
>> throw little facts at me like I'm a dog after a bone. Those with easy
>> memorization skills will always succeed. Why? School in all of its current
>> forms is all about loading facts into the barrels and shooting them out in
>> tests and assignments. That's what school is. From preschool to the masters
>> and doctorate degrees in college.
>>
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>> On Jan 22, 2015, at 5:42 PM, Josh <lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>
>>> You got it. The one’s that do not go to college are going to not get any
>>> kind of benefit out of this college plan. I failed to remind the one’s in
>>> the post if they have a G.E.D. they might as well just go ahead and get on
>>> Welfare because when this starts their G.E.D. is worthless. Gary claimed it
>>> was “fear”, but I think it is more common sense than anything. If employers
>>> can get employees with associate degrees, why waste their time with high
>>> school diplomas. I don’t know what fruit truck he got off of, but education
>>> has been being dumbed down for quite some time now. My Child and Family
>>> Studies Professor last semester was telling us the things she had to do in
>>> order to get her bachelor’s. In order to get her degree she claimed that
>>> she needed a Cehm 1 class and a Chem 2 class as well as some other classes
>>> that seemed extremely tough. Now, Chemistry is not even in the CFS Major
>>> requirements according to her. Use to kids were taught to think outside the
>>> box, now they are being told what to think. I probably shouldn’t ask this,
>>> but how much dumber can education get without just handing them out or
>>> purchasing valid degrees online. The problem isn’t with the fact everyone
>>> doesn’t have a degree, the problem lies with what the kids are being taught
>>> or rather what they are not being taught in Kindergarten through 12th
>>> grade. If you want to have a higher score country by country then focus on
>>> the area where they are required to get an education, not where it is
>>> optional.
>>>
>>> Side Note:
>>> The other day I took a citizenship test online, Amanda found it by Googling
>>> it. I am sure there are more questions to it, but the one I took I told
>>> Amanda she was about to get me deported *LOL*. I scored a 19 out of 25 so
>>> luckily I get to stay *LOL*, but she took it and scored a 24 out of 25. I
>>> thought it was one of the Facebook quizzes before we began and she said no.
>>> However, I told her she was about to be husbandless because you know they
>>> are monitoring those things *LOL*.
>>>
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>>> Okay so some people don’t do College, will they get what is paid for
>>> college as a cash settlement? I doubt it.
>>>
>>> And if you bring in just about everybody you then have to lower the
>>> standard of what is being taught so that what would become probably the
>>> majority of students would be caught up. It’s lowest common denominator in
>>> education..
>>>
>>>> On Jan 22, 2015, at 1:24 PM, Josh <lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> <mailto:lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I am currently in a debate that is not going real well for the other
>>>> person best I can tell, but I am a bit biased and I understand this since
>>>> I am a participant in this debate. I probably have already stated my
>>>> stance on this here once before, but nonetheless what do you all think
>>>> about America’s Promise. My thoughts obviously are not party affiliated
>>>> because the one that originally stated this was a Tennessee Governor who
>>>> is a Republican. I can see if it was Obama only that generated this how it
>>>> would be considered the party or the person. Anyways For the people that
>>>> do not know, America’s Promise involves giving high school graduates 2
>>>> years of free college. I will go and get the post and you all can read it
>>>> before giving me your feedback. He says someone is going to pay for this.
>>>> I agree someone will pay, but I am thinking that they are not thinking pay
>>>> the way I am thinking pay, but I also agree that someone will pay in order
>>>> for this to occur, someone like the American people whether they take
>>>> advantage of this free schooling or not. However, I hijacked the post, I
>>>> know, me hijack a thred, that is ludicrous, but I did keep it relevant
>>>> *LOL*. I argue that this will weaken the degrees, I argue that not
>>>> everyone wants to go to college, I argue that employers are going to
>>>> require more in order to get a job. What do you all think? Am I off base
>>>> with this argument? Do you all have an opinion regarding this? I bring it
>>>> here because I feel like Gary’s last post is starting to grasp at straws a
>>>> bit and starts to take a different direction in defending what I asked him
>>>> to defend. I look forward to hearing your all’s thoughts regarding this.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Post:
>>>> Brian <https://m.facebook.com/brian.hudson.562?fref=nf&refid=52&__tn__=C>
>>>> Mr. President I'm sorry, but I had to pay for my college education along
>>>> with everyone else I know who earned a college degree. Many of us have the
>>>> student loans to prove it. If I had to pay for it then everyone should
>>>> have to pay for it.
>>>> College education is not free Mr. President someone will have to pay for
>>>> it eventually. And I refuse to pay for anyone else's education because no
>>>> one but myself paid for mine.
>>>> Nothing worth having comes easy or free it must be earned with hard work.
>>>>
>>>> Responses:
>>>>
>>>> Gary
>>>> Progression...it has to start somewhere.
>>>> Like · Report · Yesterday at 12:54am
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ryan
>>>> So if you buy, lets say, an xbox 360, at launch for 500$, and then next
>>>> year they lower the price to 349$... do you write back to microsoft and
>>>> the vendor demanding they raise the price back up... because freeloaders
>>>> are now getting a free 150$ subsidy that you didn't get.
>>>>
>>>> You can't move forward if your crippled by revenge thinking... that just
>>>> because that opportunity didn't exist for you, it shouldn't exist for
>>>> anyone.
>>>> Like · 2 · Report · Yesterday at 10:33am
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>> I don't think he heard you
>>>> Like · Report · Yesterday at 10:34am
>>>> Gary
>>>> The President also mentioned if you're out of school with existing
>>>> students loan payments, he wants to pass his budget to lower student loan
>>>> payments across
>>>> the board.
>>>> Like
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>>>> Yesterday at 11:18am
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>> Also the free two years of community college was pioneered by none other a
>>>> republican governor, Tennessee's own Bill Haslam
>>>> Like
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>>>> Yesterday at 12:02pm
>>>>
>>>> Noah
>>>> I'd rather pay to educate our fellow citizens and give them skill sets
>>>> that will allow them to be productive in society than pay taxes that go to
>>>> government
>>>> assistance. I too have a grotesque amount of student loans! I just feel
>>>> like this is something that could actually lower the costs and taxes
>>>> associated
>>>> with government assistance and unemployment. Also, as a parent of two,
>>>> this will help tremendously to assure that my kids can go on to better
>>>> theirselves
>>>> through higher education. Pay it on the front end and receive the benefits
>>>> on the back end.
>>>> Like
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>>>> Yesterday at 1:04pm
>>>>
>>>> Stephie
>>>> It is not free, they will be required to do community service hours with
>>>> non-profit organizations, in exchange. It is a give~give situation. I have
>>>> had
>>>> the opportunity of receiving grants, scholarships, having to pay out of my
>>>> pocket, and getting student loans for my degrees. I don't have a hand out
>>>> for
>>>> free education but have no problem giving back because I received. There
>>>> are ways to get our student loan debts lowered, many, one being working
>>>> with AmeriCore.
>>>> There are many options already, this just enhanced opportunities for the
>>>> middle class who's parents make too much to qualify for fin. aid but don't
>>>> make
>>>> enough to pay for education.
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>>>> Yesterday at 1:24pm
>>>>
>>>> Me (Josh):
>>>> The associate degree will be no better than a high school diploma in the
>>>> future if this takes hold. This of course is just my opinion.
>>>> Edited
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>>>> Edit
>>>> 5 hours ago
>>>>
>>>> Gary
>>>> Associate degree isn't really that much better than a high school diploma
>>>> already. I think more people will have chance to get a bachelor's degree
>>>> if two
>>>> years is already paid for. I think the incentive would be there for it.
>>>> Btw it's not like if this passes everyone will instantly have a
>>>> associates degree...you
>>>> still have to maintain a certain grade average. You'll have to work for it.
>>>> Edited
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>>>> 4 hours ago
>>>>
>>>> Tara
>>>> called earning your degree
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>>>> 4 hours ago
>>>>
>>>> Me (Josh):
>>>> This may be true, but flip the coin. What if a person doesn't want to go
>>>> to college, what if they just want to graduate from high school and get a
>>>> job.
>>>> Now that college is being made available for free, 2-years, does this
>>>> mean that employers that ordinarily would not have required a degree are
>>>> now going
>>>> to require a degree? If this is indeed the case, then we have now
>>>> essentially further limited job availability, rather than promoted job
>>>> growth. If you
>>>> do not think this is the case with employers wanting people that are going
>>>> to work hard for them then tell me why because Gary pointed out that a
>>>> person
>>>> will still have to work for their degree. Employers know this too and they
>>>> have no reason not to raise the requirements if everyone has the
>>>> opportunity
>>>> to go to school for free. Likewise the bachelor's degree will be weakened
>>>> as well. Diversity is here for a reason.
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>>>> Edit
>>>> 3 hours ago
>>>>
>>>> Stephie
>>>> I am working on my third college degree, I do not go to school for a job
>>>> or for more money.. I go to school because I enjoy learning!
>>>> Like
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>>>> 3 hours ago
>>>>
>>>> Gary
>>>> I think we all can agree furthering education for everyone in the future
>>>> will better humanity and this country as a whole. There's a reason why the
>>>> United
>>>> States ranks so low in education, because other counties who rank higher
>>>> already offer these programs. Everyone has an opportunity to take
>>>> advantage of
>>>> this...There's no age requirements, you just have to work for it. I think
>>>> the whole argument if everyone does it it'll dumb down the value of a
>>>> certain
>>>> degree is something manifested by fear. It's the same argument people have
>>>> if you're against raising the minimum wage. People believe small businesses
>>>> will go under or prices will inflate..is completely untrue. 10 major
>>>> cities in the U.S. has already adapted a higher minimum wage and four more
>>>> states
>>>> are about to approve it. Those cities and states who already did it isn't
>>>> collapsing, isn't inflating cost. All it's doing is building the economy.
>>>> Same
>>>> will happen if you give people an opportunity for higher learning. Yes
>>>> it'll drive competition, but that will equal better business and better
>>>> pay. Better
>>>> pay will mean more taxes to collect for even better programs for this
>>>> country to benefit from.
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