[audio-pals] Re: Current Affairs
- From: Thomas McMahan <thomas.mcmahan@xxxxxxx>
- To: audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 16:43:41 -0600
That just brought up another thing. They talk about the unemployment dropping,
well the way they get that to drop is to not count the people who have given up
looking for work. So eventually the numbers get better. Well they still have
all of those people out there, so may as well send them to school for 2 years,
that can kick the can down the road for 2 years. If it was JTPA or something
else like that they could only kick it down the road for a few months or so.
So they do realize there’s an unemployed monster under the bed.
Also unemployment in minority communities has increased even more so under
Obama.
They also keep delaying the corporate pay outs for Obama care too, that is
because if they exact them the economy would crash. So they keep putting that
off till now after Obama will leave office. If the new congress cuts the
funding structure of Obama care which is what they are wanting to do, Obama
care will then funnel into Medicade. So then the pressure will be on to expand
Medicade’s funding. Well that was done in the late 80s and it was a disaster.
> On Jan 22, 2015, at 1:37 PM, BethAnn LaPresta (Redacted sender
> "bela28_02@xxxxxxxxx" for DMARC) <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Saying that everyone should be "entitled" to free community college tuition
> is just a repackaged Obamacare for education. Another subsidized program
> that the working class will pay for...in spades for generations to come.
> Obamacare was touted as being affordable, you could keep your doctor, and you
> could keep your plan. By-the-way, I had my existing insurance plan cancelled
> by my insurer (I was private pay then) because it didn't meet the Obamacare
> requirements. If government is so good at creating things (instead of the
> marketplace), why does every new rollout of something "helpful" (ie Cash for
> Clunkers, Obamacare, etc)--end up creating a budget deficit? I'm just
> askin'...
>
> In case it isn't obvious, I am with you on this one Josh. But then, hey at
> 45--maybe I will go to college for a couple years on the government's dime
> and see if that gets me a "better" job...
>
> From: Josh <lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
> To: audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 11:24 AM
> Subject: [audio-pals] Current Affairs
>
> I am currently in a debate that is not going real well for the other person
> best I can tell, but I am a bit biased and I understand this since I am a
> participant in this debate. I probably have already stated my stance on this
> here once before, but nonetheless what do you all think about America’s
> Promise. My thoughts obviously are not party affiliated because the one that
> originally stated this was a Tennessee Governor who is a Republican. I can
> see if it was Obama only that generated this how it would be considered the
> party or the person. Anyways For the people that do not know, America’s
> Promise involves giving high school graduates 2 years of free college. I will
> go and get the post and you all can read it before giving me your feedback.
> He says someone is going to pay for this. I agree someone will pay, but I am
> thinking that they are not thinking pay the way I am thinking pay, but I also
> agree that someone will pay in order for this to occur, someone like the
> American people whether they take advantage of this free schooling or not.
> However, I hijacked the post, I know, me hijack a thred, that is ludicrous,
> but I did keep it relevant *LOL*. I argue that this will weaken the degrees,
> I argue that not everyone wants to go to college, I argue that employers are
> going to require more in order to get a job. What do you all think? Am I off
> base with this argument? Do you all have an opinion regarding this? I bring
> it here because I feel like Gary’s last post is starting to grasp at straws a
> bit and starts to take a different direction in defending what I asked him to
> defend. I look forward to hearing your all’s thoughts regarding this.
>
>
> Post:
> Brian <https://m.facebook.com/brian.hudson.562?fref=nf&refid=52&__tn__=C>
> Mr. President I'm sorry, but I had to pay for my college education along with
> everyone else I know who earned a college degree. Many of us have the student
> loans to prove it. If I had to pay for it then everyone should have to pay
> for it.
> College education is not free Mr. President someone will have to pay for it
> eventually. And I refuse to pay for anyone else's education because no one
> but myself paid for mine.
> Nothing worth having comes easy or free it must be earned with hard work.
>
> Responses:
>
> Gary
> Progression...it has to start somewhere.
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> Ryan
> So if you buy, lets say, an xbox 360, at launch for 500$, and then next year
> they lower the price to 349$... do you write back to microsoft and the vendor
> demanding they raise the price back up... because freeloaders are now getting
> a free 150$ subsidy that you didn't get.
>
> You can't move forward if your crippled by revenge thinking... that just
> because that opportunity didn't exist for you, it shouldn't exist for anyone.
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> Robert
> I don't think he heard you
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> Gary
> The President also mentioned if you're out of school with existing students
> loan payments, he wants to pass his budget to lower student loan payments
> across
> the board.
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> Yesterday at 11:18am
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> Robert
> Also the free two years of community college was pioneered by none other a
> republican governor, Tennessee's own Bill Haslam
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> Yesterday at 12:02pm
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> Noah
> I'd rather pay to educate our fellow citizens and give them skill sets that
> will allow them to be productive in society than pay taxes that go to
> government
> assistance. I too have a grotesque amount of student loans! I just feel like
> this is something that could actually lower the costs and taxes associated
> with government assistance and unemployment. Also, as a parent of two, this
> will help tremendously to assure that my kids can go on to better theirselves
> through higher education. Pay it on the front end and receive the benefits on
> the back end.
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> Stephie
> It is not free, they will be required to do community service hours with
> non-profit organizations, in exchange. It is a give~give situation. I have had
> the opportunity of receiving grants, scholarships, having to pay out of my
> pocket, and getting student loans for my degrees. I don't have a hand out for
> free education but have no problem giving back because I received. There are
> ways to get our student loan debts lowered, many, one being working with
> AmeriCore.
> There are many options already, this just enhanced opportunities for the
> middle class who's parents make too much to qualify for fin. aid but don't
> make
> enough to pay for education.
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> Yesterday at 1:24pm
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> Me (Josh):
> The associate degree will be no better than a high school diploma in the
> future if this takes hold. This of course is just my opinion.
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> Gary
> Associate degree isn't really that much better than a high school diploma
> already. I think more people will have chance to get a bachelor's degree if
> two
> years is already paid for. I think the incentive would be there for it. Btw
> it's not like if this passes everyone will instantly have a associates
> degree...you
> still have to maintain a certain grade average. You'll have to work for it.
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> Tara
> called earning your degree
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> Me (Josh):
> This may be true, but flip the coin. What if a person doesn't want to go to
> college, what if they just want to graduate from high school and get a job.
> Now that college is being made available for free, 2-years, does this mean
> that employers that ordinarily would not have required a degree are now going
> to require a degree? If this is indeed the case, then we have now essentially
> further limited job availability, rather than promoted job growth. If you
> do not think this is the case with employers wanting people that are going to
> work hard for them then tell me why because Gary pointed out that a person
> will still have to work for their degree. Employers know this too and they
> have no reason not to raise the requirements if everyone has the opportunity
> to go to school for free. Likewise the bachelor's degree will be weakened as
> well. Diversity is here for a reason.
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> 3 hours ago
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> Stephie
> I am working on my third college degree, I do not go to school for a job or
> for more money.. I go to school because I enjoy learning!
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> Gary
> I think we all can agree furthering education for everyone in the future will
> better humanity and this country as a whole. There's a reason why the United
> States ranks so low in education, because other counties who rank higher
> already offer these programs. Everyone has an opportunity to take advantage of
> this...There's no age requirements, you just have to work for it. I think the
> whole argument if everyone does it it'll dumb down the value of a certain
> degree is something manifested by fear. It's the same argument people have if
> you're against raising the minimum wage. People believe small businesses
> will go under or prices will inflate..is completely untrue. 10 major cities
> in the U.S. has already adapted a higher minimum wage and four more states
> are about to approve it. Those cities and states who already did it isn't
> collapsing, isn't inflating cost. All it's doing is building the economy. Same
> will happen if you give people an opportunity for higher learning. Yes it'll
> drive competition, but that will equal better business and better pay. Better
> pay will mean more taxes to collect for even better programs for this country
> to benefit from.
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