[audio-pals] Re: Current Affairs
- From: "Josh" <lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 00:54:36 -0500
If they properly prepare the younger generations while they are in the K-12
grades then they will be smarter, they will be prepared to go to college, they
will feel like they can go to college and succeed, they will be prepared to
calculate someone’s change without the use of the cash register. Focus on these
grades and then the poster “Gary” can quit screaming about America being the
lowest ranked in education. College’s are having to dumb down the material they
teach in order to have people graduate because they are not getting the skills
they need in grade school.
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Depends on the district. Many urban or what they call inner city schools, it’s
all a matter of just showing up and thats all they care about.
There are of course some exceptions, but there are plenty that are just bad and
people leave them or graduate and yet still don’t even sometime have basic
skills yet they are expected to handle College? Granted the work load of a 2
year college is quite a bit less than a 4 year college, but still.
On Jan 22, 2015, at 6:13 PM, Devin Prater <r.d.t.prater@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Well, as a senior in the last stages of.being programmed, I hate the way
education is going. People tell me I have so much skill at writing, then throw
little facts at me like I'm a dog after a bone. Those with easy memorization
skills will always succeed. Why? School in all of its current forms is all
about loading facts into the barrels and shooting them out in tests and
assignments. That's what school is. From preschool to the masters and doctorate
degrees in college.
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On Jan 22, 2015, at 5:42 PM, Josh < <mailto:lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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You got it. The one’s that do not go to college are going to not get any kind
of benefit out of this college plan. I failed to remind the one’s in the post
if they have a G.E.D. they might as well just go ahead and get on Welfare
because when this starts their G.E.D. is worthless. Gary claimed it was “fear”,
but I think it is more common sense than anything. If employers can get
employees with associate degrees, why waste their time with high school
diplomas. I don’t know what fruit truck he got off of, but education has been
being dumbed down for quite some time now. My Child and Family Studies
Professor last semester was telling us the things she had to do in order to get
her bachelor’s. In order to get her degree she claimed that she needed a Cehm
1 class and a Chem 2 class as well as some other classes that seemed extremely
tough. Now, Chemistry is not even in the CFS Major requirements according to
her. Use to kids were taught to think outside the box, now they are being told
what to think. I probably shouldn’t ask this, but how much dumber can education
get without just handing them out or purchasing valid degrees online. The
problem isn’t with the fact everyone doesn’t have a degree, the problem lies
with what the kids are being taught or rather what they are not being taught in
Kindergarten through 12th grade. If you want to have a higher score country by
country then focus on the area where they are required to get an education, not
where it is optional.
Side Note:
The other day I took a citizenship test online, Amanda found it by Googling it.
I am sure there are more questions to it, but the one I took I told Amanda she
was about to get me deported *LOL*. I scored a 19 out of 25 so luckily I get to
stay *LOL*, but she took it and scored a 24 out of 25. I thought it was one of
the Facebook quizzes before we began and she said no. However, I told her she
was about to be husbandless because you know they are monitoring those things
*LOL*.
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Okay so some people don’t do College, will they get what is paid for college as
a cash settlement? I doubt it.
And if you bring in just about everybody you then have to lower the standard of
what is being taught so that what would become probably the majority of
students would be caught up. It’s lowest common denominator in education..
On Jan 22, 2015, at 1:24 PM, Josh < <mailto:lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx>
lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I am currently in a debate that is not going real well for the other person
best I can tell, but I am a bit biased and I understand this since I am a
participant in this debate. I probably have already stated my stance on this
here once before, but nonetheless what do you all think about America’s
Promise. My thoughts obviously are not party affiliated because the one that
originally stated this was a Tennessee Governor who is a Republican. I can see
if it was Obama only that generated this how it would be considered the party
or the person. Anyways For the people that do not know, America’s Promise
involves giving high school graduates 2 years of free college. I will go and
get the post and you all can read it before giving me your feedback. He says
someone is going to pay for this. I agree someone will pay, but I am thinking
that they are not thinking pay the way I am thinking pay, but I also agree that
someone will pay in order for this to occur, someone like the American people
whether they take advantage of this free schooling or not. However, I hijacked
the post, I know, me hijack a thred, that is ludicrous, but I did keep it
relevant *LOL*. I argue that this will weaken the degrees, I argue that not
everyone wants to go to college, I argue that employers are going to require
more in order to get a job. What do you all think? Am I off base with this
argument? Do you all have an opinion regarding this? I bring it here because I
feel like Gary’s last post is starting to grasp at straws a bit and starts to
take a different direction in defending what I asked him to defend. I look
forward to hearing your all’s thoughts regarding this.
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<https://m.facebook.com/brian.hudson.562?fref=nf&refid=52&__tn__=C> Brian
Mr. President I'm sorry, but I had to pay for my college education along with
everyone else I know who earned a college degree. Many of us have the student
loans to prove it. If I had to pay for it then everyone should have to pay for
it.
College education is not free Mr. President someone will have to pay for it
eventually. And I refuse to pay for anyone else's education because no one but
myself paid for mine.
Nothing worth having comes easy or free it must be earned with hard work.
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Gary
Progression...it has to start somewhere.
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Ryan
So if you buy, lets say, an xbox 360, at launch for 500$, and then next year
they lower the price to 349$... do you write back to microsoft and the vendor
demanding they raise the price back up... because freeloaders are now getting a
free 150$ subsidy that you didn't get.
You can't move forward if your crippled by revenge thinking... that just
because that opportunity didn't exist for you, it shouldn't exist for anyone.
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Robert
I don't think he heard you
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Gary
The President also mentioned if you're out of school with existing students
loan payments, he wants to pass his budget to lower student loan payments across
the board.
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Robert
Also the free two years of community college was pioneered by none other a
republican governor, Tennessee's own Bill Haslam
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Yesterday at 12:02pm
Noah
I'd rather pay to educate our fellow citizens and give them skill sets that
will allow them to be productive in society than pay taxes that go to government
assistance. I too have a grotesque amount of student loans! I just feel like
this is something that could actually lower the costs and taxes associated
with government assistance and unemployment. Also, as a parent of two, this
will help tremendously to assure that my kids can go on to better theirselves
through higher education. Pay it on the front end and receive the benefits on
the back end.
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Stephie
It is not free, they will be required to do community service hours with
non-profit organizations, in exchange. It is a give~give situation. I have had
the opportunity of receiving grants, scholarships, having to pay out of my
pocket, and getting student loans for my degrees. I don't have a hand out for
free education but have no problem giving back because I received. There are
ways to get our student loan debts lowered, many, one being working with
AmeriCore.
There are many options already, this just enhanced opportunities for the middle
class who's parents make too much to qualify for fin. aid but don't make
enough to pay for education.
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Me (Josh):
The associate degree will be no better than a high school diploma in the future
if this takes hold. This of course is just my opinion.
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Gary
Associate degree isn't really that much better than a high school diploma
already. I think more people will have chance to get a bachelor's degree if two
years is already paid for. I think the incentive would be there for it. Btw
it's not like if this passes everyone will instantly have a associates
degree...you
still have to maintain a certain grade average. You'll have to work for it.
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Tara
called earning your degree
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Me (Josh):
This may be true, but flip the coin. What if a person doesn't want to go to
college, what if they just want to graduate from high school and get a job.
Now that college is being made available for free, 2-years, does this mean
that employers that ordinarily would not have required a degree are now going
to require a degree? If this is indeed the case, then we have now essentially
further limited job availability, rather than promoted job growth. If you
do not think this is the case with employers wanting people that are going to
work hard for them then tell me why because Gary pointed out that a person
will still have to work for their degree. Employers know this too and they have
no reason not to raise the requirements if everyone has the opportunity
to go to school for free. Likewise the bachelor's degree will be weakened as
well. Diversity is here for a reason.
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Stephie
I am working on my third college degree, I do not go to school for a job or for
more money.. I go to school because I enjoy learning!
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Gary
I think we all can agree furthering education for everyone in the future will
better humanity and this country as a whole. There's a reason why the United
States ranks so low in education, because other counties who rank higher
already offer these programs. Everyone has an opportunity to take advantage of
this...There's no age requirements, you just have to work for it. I think the
whole argument if everyone does it it'll dumb down the value of a certain
degree is something manifested by fear. It's the same argument people have if
you're against raising the minimum wage. People believe small businesses
will go under or prices will inflate..is completely untrue. 10 major cities in
the U.S. has already adapted a higher minimum wage and four more states
are about to approve it. Those cities and states who already did it isn't
collapsing, isn't inflating cost. All it's doing is building the economy. Same
will happen if you give people an opportunity for higher learning. Yes it'll
drive competition, but that will equal better business and better pay. Better
pay will mean more taxes to collect for even better programs for this country
to benefit from.
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