[audio-pals] Re: Current Affairs
- From: "BethAnn LaPresta" <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> (Redacted sender "bela28_02@xxxxxxxxx" for DMARC)
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- Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 19:37:03 +0000 (UTC)
Saying that everyone should be "entitled" to free community college tuition is
just a repackaged Obamacare for education. Another subsidized program that the
working class will pay for...in spades for generations to come. Obamacare was
touted as being affordable, you could keep your doctor, and you could keep your
plan. By-the-way, I had my existing insurance plan cancelled by my insurer (I
was private pay then) because it didn't meet the Obamacare requirements. If
government is so good at creating things (instead of the marketplace), why does
every new rollout of something "helpful" (ie Cash for Clunkers, Obamacare,
etc)--end up creating a budget deficit? I'm just askin'... In case it isn't
obvious, I am with you on this one Josh. But then, hey at 45--maybe I will go
to college for a couple years on the government's dime and see if that gets me
a "better" job...
From: Josh <lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 11:24 AM
Subject: [audio-pals] Current Affairs
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currently in a debate that is not going real well for the other person best I
can tell, but I am a bit biased and I understand this since I am a participant
in this debate. I probably have already stated my stance on this here once
before, but nonetheless what do you all think about America’s Promise. My
thoughts obviously are not party affiliated because the one that originally
stated this was a Tennessee Governor who is a Republican. I can see if it was
Obama only that generated this how it would be considered the party or the
person. Anyways For the people that do not know, America’s Promise involves
giving high school graduates 2 years of free college. I will go and get the
post and you all can read it before giving me your feedback. He says someone is
going to pay for this. I agree someone will pay, but I am thinking that they
are not thinking pay the way I am thinking pay, but I also agree that someone
will pay in order for this to occur, someone like the American people whether
they take advantage of this free schooling or not. However, I hijacked the
post, I know, me hijack a thred, that is ludicrous, but I did keep it relevant
*LOL*. I argue that this will weaken the degrees, I argue that not everyone
wants to go to college, I argue that employers are going to require more in
order to get a job. What do you all think? Am I off base with this argument? Do
you all have an opinion regarding this? I bring it here because I feel like
Gary’s last post is starting to grasp at straws a bit and starts to take a
different direction in defending what I asked him to defend. I look forward to
hearing your all’s thoughts regarding this. Post:
Brian
Mr. President I'm sorry, but I had to pay for my college education along with
everyone else I know who earned a college degree. Many of us have the student
loans to prove it. If I had to pay for it then everyone should have to pay for
it.
College education is not free Mr. President someone will have to pay for it
eventually. And I refuse to pay for anyone else's education because no one but
myself paid for mine.
Nothing worth having comes easy or free it must be earned with hard work.
Responses: Gary Progression...it has to start somewhere.Like · Report ·
Yesterday at 12:54am Ryan So if you buy, lets say, an xbox 360, at launch
for 500$, and then next year they lower the price to 349$... do you write back
to microsoft and the vendor demanding they raise the price back up... because
freeloaders are now getting a free 150$ subsidy that you didn't get. You
can't move forward if your crippled by revenge thinking... that just because
that opportunity didn't exist for you, it shouldn't exist for anyone.Like · 2 ·
Report · Yesterday at 10:33am Robert I don't think he heard youLike · Report
· Yesterday at 10:34amGary The President also mentioned if you're out of school
with existing students loan payments, he wants to pass his budget to lower
student loan payments acrossthe board.LikeReportYesterday at 11:18am Robert
Also the free two years of community college was pioneered by none other a
republican governor, Tennessee's own Bill HaslamLikeLike1ReportYesterday at
12:02pm Noah I'd rather pay to educate our fellow citizens and give them skill
sets that will allow them to be productive in society than pay taxes that go to
governmentassistance. I too have a grotesque amount of student loans! I just
feel like this is something that could actually lower the costs and taxes
associatedwith government assistance and unemployment. Also, as a parent of
two, this will help tremendously to assure that my kids can go on to better
theirselvesthrough higher education. Pay it on the front end and receive the
benefits on the back end.LikeLikes3ReportYesterday at 1:04pm Stephie It is not
free, they will be required to do community service hours with non-profit
organizations, in exchange. It is a give~give situation. I have hadthe
opportunity of receiving grants, scholarships, having to pay out of my pocket,
and getting student loans for my degrees. I don't have a hand out forfree
education but have no problem giving back because I received. There are ways to
get our student loan debts lowered, many, one being working with
AmeriCore.There are many options already, this just enhanced opportunities for
the middle class who's parents make too much to qualify for fin. aid but don't
makeenough to pay for education.LikeLikes2ReportYesterday at 1:24pm Me (Josh):
The associate degree will be no better than a high school diploma in the future
if this takes hold. This of course is just my opinion.EditedLikeEdit5 hours ago
Gary Associate degree isn't really that much better than a high school diploma
already. I think more people will have chance to get a bachelor's degree if
twoyears is already paid for. I think the incentive would be there for it. Btw
it's not like if this passes everyone will instantly have a associates
degree...youstill have to maintain a certain grade average. You'll have to work
for it.EditedLikeReport4 hours ago Tara called earning your degreeLikeReport4
hours ago Me (Josh):This may be true, but flip the coin. What if a person
doesn't want to go to college, what if they just want to graduate from high
school and get a job.Now that college is being made available for free,
2-years, does this mean that employers that ordinarily would not have required
a degree are now goingto require a degree? If this is indeed the case, then we
have now essentially further limited job availability, rather than promoted job
growth. If youdo not think this is the case with employers wanting people that
are going to work hard for them then tell me why because Gary pointed out that
a personwill still have to work for their degree. Employers know this too and
they have no reason not to raise the requirements if everyone has the
opportunityto go to school for free. Likewise the bachelor's degree will be
weakened as well. Diversity is here for a reason.LikeLike1Edit3 hours ago
Stephie I am working on my third college degree, I do not go to school for a
job or for more money.. I go to school because I enjoy
learning!LikeLike1Report3 hours ago Gary I think we all can agree furthering
education for everyone in the future will better humanity and this country as a
whole. There's a reason why the UnitedStates ranks so low in education, because
other counties who rank higher already offer these programs. Everyone has an
opportunity to take advantage ofthis...There's no age requirements, you just
have to work for it. I think the whole argument if everyone does it it'll dumb
down the value of a certaindegree is something manifested by fear. It's the
same argument people have if you're against raising the minimum wage. People
believe small businesseswill go under or prices will inflate..is completely
untrue. 10 major cities in the U.S. has already adapted a higher minimum wage
and four more statesare about to approve it. Those cities and states who
already did it isn't collapsing, isn't inflating cost. All it's doing is
building the economy. Samewill happen if you give people an opportunity for
higher learning. Yes it'll drive competition, but that will equal better
business and better pay. Betterpay will mean more taxes to collect for even
better programs for this country to benefit from.EditedLikeReport2 hours
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