This message was posted by Body Cover on AmayaUsers.com. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY VIA EMAIL. Instead, respond to the thread on the WEBSITE by clicking here: http://www.amayausers.com/boards/ultimatebb.php?/topic/2/886.html#000002 Well I thought I'd throw in my 2 cents on this one. I know some people that do patches for a living and they buy cotton twill by the roll and then use the heat and bond stuff you talked about and heat seal it to the back of the twill then heat press the twill and glue to heavy cutaway backing. It makes it nice and stiff, at this point they sew there patches as flats and put multiple patches on one sheet and then they get cut apart with a die cutter later then merrowed after that. I would suggest using the heat and bond after you sew your satin borders and before you cut the patches this way the satins are bonded and are less likely to snag and unravel and when your done either leave the backing paper or peel it off, it should only leave a plastic feeling film behind that can easily be sewn on just like a patch without it. That's how we have done it in the past. and the nice thing about it is also if someone would have to heat seal one on, then the bonding agent is in place and can be used at anytime. As far as the satin on the edge do some experimenting to see what the lowest density you can go and still have it look good, thsi will in effect help the patch stay stabil bu not having as many punctures around the edges, you may be surprised how nice a 6 density looks. Anyway good luck. Ron =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list ===========================================================