Hi Damon, The cost for the SMS service, which is great, is 25p per successful recording. That means if you put in a programme that is not on the Sky = EPG or make a mistake, you are not charged. You will also be able to set up remote recordings to your Sky Plus box = over the web soon. I still think Sky is the best way to go, and offers the = most choice in the channel line up. All the best -- Computer Room Services: the long cane for blind computer users. Telephone Low-call: 08452 606 277 International: +44(0)1438 742286,=20 Fax: +44(0)1438 759589 mobile: +44(0)7956 334938,=20 Email: mailto:Steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx=20 Web site: http://www.comproom.co.uk =20 -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf = Of Damon Sent: 29 November 2006 08:05 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Sky + accessibility (was: Re: Re: PRODUCT FROM = nEBULA Hi. I'm going to send another email shortly about the BBC iPlayer and how = you may not need to buy a system like Nebula really soon. But first I'm = going to talk about Sky + as a serious alternative. The Nebula electronics system seems a little lacking if it can't pick up subscription channels. And I'm assuming that, being as you're not buying into Sky Digital, you won't be able to take advantage of Sky's cheap dish installation = service.=20 You will have to get an indepednent local company to put up your dish at = I'm guessing would be a couple of hundred pounds? Have you tried using Sky + at all? Much of it is accessible without = having to learn lots of menu-dodging keystrokes. It's easy as pie to pause programmes and view them again ... though you will be arrowing down a = menu list of your recorded programmes you can't see the title of, at least = you'll have a vague idea of what's there and can dip in and out to hear a bit = of audio to see if you hav found the show you want to watch. You can record programmes by sitting and waiting for them to come on ... = then hitting the big round select button with the record button straight afterwards. The recording will end when the programme ends and will = appear in your recorded programmes menu immediately. Though you won't have access to the Electronic Programme Guide, your recorded programmes menu is easily navigable .I use mine all the time. Note that I am someone who usually refuses to learn menus because I see = this as a ridiculous access solution oftentimes ... happily little learning = is needed here. Of course, the best thing about sky + is being able to record programmes = in advance and add series links so that you never miss your favourite show. = I understan dfrom Sky that you can now use their SMS text message service = to set up advance recordings on your sky + box. I haven't researched how = much this costs but, on a yearly basis it might be worth calculating whether = or not it'll cost more to put up a dish? I find the whole computer access just completely unsatisfactory and we should all be lobbying Sky to get access to the EPG via set-top boxes. This is going to become more of a serious issue as Video on Demand = starts to become the norm. BT's new BT Vision service starts next week and from = day one the vast majority of the TV they supply will be inaccessible to you. = Cable and even satelite or the preferred satelite broadband hybrid television systems being discussed will mean you may not be able to = watch much TV at all soon as broadcast channels are going to be less important = and will eventually disappear. Sitting in front of your TV box and passively ingesting a channel may not be around in the same way in 5 to 10 years = time. Has anyone yet done any lobbying? Or have any other info to add to this? And if you've used the Sky SMS service it'd be good to get some feedback from you. Don't forget you can always ask a mate to come over once a week to help = you setup your TV recordings. Do a bit of research on the web beforehand and you're sorted. Also, if you want to follow an entire series, a series = link can be added and you won't need to think about it again. ---- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Robinson" <gary.r@xxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 11:55 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: PRODUCT FROM nEBULA > Hi Brian and others, > > You may be interested in the following response I obtained from = nebula. > Sadly it looks as if it's not going to give us access to the SKY audio > described channels. I had hoped that it might be an alternative to = the=20 > Sky > plus box but rather more accessible. > > Gary > > Hi Gary, > Thanks for your enquires, which are answered as follows: > 1. Will the unit support access to subscription channels e.g SKY etc = (via > smart card?). > No, the satellite device will support only Freeview Satellite = channels. > 2. Will the program guide be available for satellite channels? > Yes. > 3. Will it support audio description on the satellite channels? > Yes. > 4. Will the software interface be the same as the digitv i.e = accessible to > screen reader software? > We will be using the same software but it will have a satellite = decoder > along with a Freeview decoder built-in. > 5. When will it be available and how much will it cost? > Our developers have confirmed that the Satellite devices will be = released > within the first quarter of next year. Unfortunately they are unable = to=20 > be > more > specific at this time. They cannot confirm a price at this time = either=20 > I'm > afraid. We hope you will visit our website regularly to keep up to = date=20 > on > any update on this. > Thanks again for your email and we hope this helps. > Thanks & Best Regards > The Support Team > Nebula Electronics > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Brian Hartgen" <brian@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 12:27 PM > Subject: [access-uk] Re: PRODUCT FROM nEBULA > > >> Yes I will do. >> I will telephone them tomorrow. >> >> Brian Hartgen >> >> MSN: brian@xxxxxxxxxxx >> SKYPE: brianhartgen >> SKYPE IN UK: 0208-133-7186 >> SKYPE IN US: 213-985-3581 >> ----- Original Message -----=20 >> From: "andrew shipp" <andrew-shipp4@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 12:10 PM >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: PRODUCT FROM nEBULA >> >> >>> Hello Brian When you find out about this could you please let me = know, >>> many thanks. >>> ----- Original Message -----=20 >>> From: "Brian Hartgen" <brian@xxxxxxxxxxx> >>> To: <ACCESS-UK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 4:35 PM >>> Subject: [access-uk] PRODUCT FROM nEBULA >>> >>> >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> I note there is now a product on the Nebula web site, priced =A3102 = which >>>> is >>>> a >>>> UsB product only it would seem. This is >>>> Digital Satellite (S2) Receiver - Master USB version >>>> >>>> Does anyone know which channels exactly I would be able to receive = with >>>> this >>>> product and is it as accessible as the conventional product? >>>> >>>> If no-one knows about this I will call them on Monday. >>>> >>>> Thank you. >>>> >>>> Brian Hartgen >>>> >>>> MSN: brian@xxxxxxxxxxx >>>> SKYPE: brianhartgen >>>> SKYPE IN UK: 0208-133-7186 >>>> SKYPE IN US: 213-985-3581 >>>> >>>> >>>> ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- >>>> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=3Dunsubscribe] >>>> ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: >>>> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> ** and in the Subject line type >>>> ** unsubscribe >>>> ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the >>>> ** immediately-following link:- >>>> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=3Dfaq] >>>> ** or send a message, to >>>> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq >>>> >>>> >>>> __________ NOD32 1882 (20061124) Information __________ >>>> >>>> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>>> http://www.eset.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- >>> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=3Dunsubscribe] >>> ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: >>> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> ** and in the Subject line type >>> ** unsubscribe >>> ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the >>> ** immediately-following link:- >>> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=3Dfaq] >>> ** or send a message, to >>> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq >>> >> >> >> ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- >> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=3Dunsubscribe] >> ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: >> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> ** and in the Subject line type >> ** unsubscribe >> ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the >> ** immediately-following link:- >> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=3Dfaq] >> ** or send a message, to >> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq >> >> > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=3Dunsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=3Dfaq] > ** or send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq >=20 ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=3Dunsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=3Dfaq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq