but I'm sure the RNIB was promoting daisy a couple of years ago even, so what changed? i used to be always receiving articles etc going on about the benefits of daisy.
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Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 11:26 AM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Priority Uploads to RNIB Overdrive It is strange at best that RNIB should not be supporting DAISY for their download TB service as it offers crucial navigational flexibility! Kind regards, Paul Twitter: @paulleake1 paul.leake@xxxxxxxxxxxx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iain Lackie" <ilackie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date sent: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 10:47:31 -0000 Subject: [access-uk] Re: Priority Uploads to RNIB Overdrive The answer to that question is quite simple. As long as we have Overdrive, we lose all the advantages of DAISY. Iain -----Original Message----- From: Steve Nutt Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:19 AM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Priority Uploads to RNIB Overdrive Hi Ian, Thanks for this. It still doesn't answer any questions as to technical reasons for this way of doing it. Why for example, do we have to lose Daisy navigation just because we are downloading files? Like I said, the Daisy files are tiny so there was no reason to take them out in the conversion process. All the best Steve -- Computer Room Services 77 Exeter Close Stevenage Hertfordshire SG1 4PW Tel: +44(0)1438-742286 Mob: +44(0)7956-334938 Fax: +44(0)1438-759589 Email: steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Web: http://www.comproom.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Iain Lackie Sent: 17 December 2014 16:43 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Priority Uploads to RNIB Overdrive For all who are eager to see what Louisa said, here it is. Iain Hi all, A huge amount of research and work was done before RNIB Overdrive was trialled and then launched and we have a lot of customers who are using it currently - nearly 7,000 books have been borrowed from the service since 15 September. RNIB Overdrive was never launched to replace the Talking Books Service and our Daisy CD offering, but through demand, we wanted to launch a digital download library, to reach out and support more reading choices and give the public the option to pick the service that suited them. Sadly, the BookStream BookClub was not scalable and had a number of issues. OverDrive, the platform that we use, is in constant touch with us about improving their platform and the accessibility and have done a number of changes and are working on more. We have had many people who have decided to transfer across to RNIB Overdrive from Talking Books Service - if you have decided that you would prefer to be transferred across to Talking Books Service instead and continue with Daisy CDs, then this can be arranged too - all you need to do is contact us and we can arrange that for you. In regards to book prioritisation - to upload over 20,000+ titles to the service takes a while and we are working to get the complete catalogue up quickly. We analysed the different genres and uploaded cross sections, to ensure a variety of books were available. If we started prioritising titles from customers, this would slow the process down and would have an impact on all customers, who each would have different books that they would like. We have a team who work tirelessly on this service and have a lot of plans to continue improving our offering and the books available, alongside our fundraising teams, who help us heavily subsidise all our reading choices. I can be personally contacted by email on Louisa.muhsin@xxxxxxxxxxx, should you wish to contact me directly. Best regards, Louisa. -----Original Message----- From: Muhsin, Louisa Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 1:57 PM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Priority Uploads to RNIB Overdrive Hi all, A huge amount of research and work was done before RNIB Overdrive was trialled and then launched and we have a lot of customers who are using it currently - nearly 7,000 books have been borrowed from the service since 15 September. RNIB Overdrive was never launched to replace the Talking Books Service and our Daisy CD offering, but through demand, we wanted to launch a digital download library, to reach out and support more reading choices and give the public the option to pick the service that suited them. Sadly, the BookStream BookClub was not scalable and had a number of issues. OverDrive, the platform that we use, is in constant touch with us about improving their platform and the accessibility and have done a number of changes and are working on more. We have had many people who have decided to transfer across to RNIB Overdrive from Talking Books Service - if you have decided that you would prefer to be transferred across to Talking Books Service instead and continue with Daisy CDs, then this can be arranged too - all you need to do is contact us and we can arrange that for you. In regards to book prioritisation - to upload over 20,000+ titles to the service takes a while and we are working to get the complete catalogue up quickly. We analysed the different genres and uploaded cross sections, to ensure a variety of books were available. If we started prioritising titles from customers, this would slow the process down and would have an impact on all customers, who each would have different books that they would like. We have a team who work tirelessly on this service and have a lot of plans to continue improving our offering and the books available, alongside our fundraising teams, who help us heavily subsidise all our reading choices. I can be personally contacted by email on Louisa.muhsin@xxxxxxxxxxx, should you wish to contact me directly. Best regards, Louisa. Louisa Muhsin Louisa Muhsin RNIB Overdrive - now available from RNIB online shop Reading Services Digital Manager, Solutions Team RNIB (Royal National Institute of Blind People) 105 Judd Street, London WC1H 9NE e: louisa.muhsin@xxxxxxxxxxx w: www.rnib.org.uk Join us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/rnibuk Follow us on twitter: www.twitter.com/rnib Have you listened to RNIB's Insight Radio today ? Join us on Freeview 730, online at www.insightradio.co.uk via the TuneIn or Radio Player apps or on Sky 888. -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt Sent: 17 December 2014 12:28 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Priority Uploads to RNIB Overdrive Hi Carol, I think their idea was to allow files to play on cheaper media players than Daisy players. Of course, this idea is nonsense, because Daisy files will simply be ignored by cheaper media players, so they too would play just fine. So bring back Daisy I say. All the best Steve -- Computer Room Services 77 Exeter Close Stevenage Hertfordshire SG1 4PW Tel: +44(0)1438-742286 Mob: +44(0)7956-334938 Fax: +44(0)1438-759589 Email: steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Web: http://www.comproom.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Carol.Pearson29@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: 17 December 2014 11:52 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Priority Uploads to RNIB Overdrive We feel the same way, Steve. So many VI's have good Daisy players, allowing such great access, so why do we need anything different. I wonder just how much longer they'll actually prepare Daisy books? Carol P ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 2:02 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Priority Uploads to RNIB Overdrive Hi, My view is they should have used an online delivery service compatible with Daisy readers, rather than go down this convaluted route. All the best Steve -- Computer Room Services 77 Exeter Close Stevenage Hertfordshire SG1 4PW Tel: +44(0)1438-742286 Mob: +44(0)7956-334938 Fax: +44(0)1438-759589 Email: steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Web: http://www.comproom.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Iain Lackie Sent: 16 December 2014 13:48 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Priority Uploads to RNIB Overdrive In defense of RNIB, I don't think the process is as straightforward as that. The file structure of Overdrive books is different from their DAISY equivalents. Personally, I think any download or streaming system should have utilised DAISY as not doing so has cut down the possibilities of effective book manipulation for those who desire it. Iain -----Original Message----- From: martin wilsher Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 1:32 PM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Priority Uploads to RNIB Overdrive Four months for upload? Is it really that difficult that it takes this length of time when the said book is in digital format from the mem stick/disc catalogue? I think someone's being unacceptably slow here. -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Griffith Sent: 16 December 2014 13:22 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Priority Uploads to RNIB Overdrive Thanks for providing me with sight of this which was also invisible on my system. To respond to Lisa?셲 post. I do not consider it is appropriate to comment in detail on our correspondence on list = but given it has been raised . This email to me last week said did not mention February but the New Year. However the wider principle of refusing to allow a priority = system of uploading books for people who are waiting for books is worth of wider discussion as this is presumably an issue of RNIB Overdrive policy. The issue is not that books are being uploaded but that people like me have been waiting since early November for books to become available with no promise that they be available until February. In other words there is potentially a wait of 4 months for a book. This I personally regard as unacceptable and unresponsive policy and ask that it urgently be reviewed in favour of responding to request for book uploads. I am circulating this o n a wider forum as I am interested in the views of other Visually Impaired people on this aspect of RNIB Overdrive Policy. David Griffith . On 16 Dec 2014, at 12:25, Iain Lackie <ilackie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ilackie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote: I think it must be. What Louisa said was Dear David, As per my email to you last week, we are on track to have the complete collection uploaded by February and if you go to the section, 'New this Week', you can see what has been uploaded in the past seven days. If you do have any further queries, please don't hesitate to contact the Overdrive team as instructed, who are more than happy to help. Best regards, Louisa. From: Richard Godfrey-McKay <mailto:lists.godfrey-mckay@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 12:09 PM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Priority Uploads to RNIB Overdrive Hi, This message appeared blank on my system. Is it me? 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