one thing you must do is just sit down and really learn it all because the future is android or apple for us. ----- Original Message ----- From: Vincent Thacker <vince@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Friday, 27 June 2014 11.20 am Subject: [access-uk] Re: More Nokia C5 Woes > > > Martin, > > I agree with most of what you say here, but would be a lot more positive > about Android. The fact remains that many blind people are finding phones > like the Moto G usable, and the price is about £150. There are some active > blind Android mailing lists, and other forms of support are growing. OK, > something like the Moto G will feel very different from the C5, but some > people are finding it a practical answer. > > Vince. > > > > > > > ======================================== > Message Received: Jun 27 2014, 09.59 AM > From: "martin wilsher" > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Cc: > Subject: [access-uk] Re: More Nokia C5 Woes > > Imho at the moment The problem with drift of the mobile industry is that we > have the bespoke phones, alto 2, and another that I can't remember the name > of sold by Cobolt for those with usable sight. We used to have talks, now > defunct, then we get to Android, not easy for older people, I consider > android with its somewhat questionable accessability to be the Linux of the > mobile world. Then there is apple, the gold standard at the moment. I have > deliberately left out Microsoft here, as their commitment to accessibility > is questionable imho, especially when they scrap cymbian, then put out a > blog asking "what do we do for blind p""com" when they realised they'd > also binned a screen reader with the old moble os. Microsoft are said to be > getting narrator for windows phone eight, though whether that will be a > patch on apple's voiceover, I can't say. Until then, the tie up with > mobilespeak seems to be a rather walled garden solution, not a true screen > reader at the moment. So basically for the budget user, we have no usable > solutions at the minute, other than the bespoke, some call them blindie > phones, I call them meeting a need in a very confusing and fast moving > market. Imho, Microsoft have acted in a very short sighted and disgusting > manner and did immeasurable damage to their credibility with the move away > from cymbian, without implementing a full access solution for the new > windows eight phone before retiring the old os.-Original Message----- > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of > Jackie Brown > Sent: 27 June 2014 08.49 > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Re: More Nokia C5 Woes > > Hi Ibrahim > > I agree, absolutely, but Jim said he has limited funds, and unless he goes > to the second-hand market, I could only think of the Alto2 as a quick > solution. > > > Kind regards, > > Jackie Brown > Twitter: @thebrownsplace > Skype: Thejackmate > > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of > Ibrahim Gucukoglu > Sent: 26 June 2014 19.21 > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Re: More Nokia C5 Woes > > Hi Jackie. > > Surely the Alto 2 is a very basic phone which has very limited features. > You couldn't compare the two devices if you tried, and Jim would be losing a > > lot of functionality by moving to such a cheap dumb phone. > > All the best, Ibrahim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jackie Brown > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 4.43 PM > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Re: More Nokia C5 Woes > > Hi Jim > > With limited funds, and in keeping with the type of phone you already have, > perhaps the nearest would be the Alto2 from RNIB? I suggest this because it > is unlocked, and will enable you to simply swap over your Sim card. It also > has a tactile keypad, and you wouldn't need to purchase a Talks upgrade > because speech is built into the Alto2. > > I hope this helps give you some food for thought. > > > > Kind regards, > > Jackie Brown > Twitter: @thebrownsplace > Skype: Thejackmate > > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of > Jim Williams > Sent: 26 June 2014 14.51 > To: BCAB Discussion List > Cc: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] More Nokia C5 Woes > > Hi Lists, > > Apologies for cross posting but I need as much advice as possible. > > I thought the battery had died on my C5 but tests prove this not to be the > case. I have been informed that is probably a display malfunction or even a > motherboard issue. The display will cost £25-£30 alone to rectify, with > possibly a similar amount for the motherboard replacement. > > Rather than spend such an amount on repairs I was wondering if anyone can > point me to a replacement of some kind. Funds are limited at the moment so > I will need to consider very carefully what are my options. > > Thanks in advance for any ideas. > > Jim Williams > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > ** or send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > ** or send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > ** or send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > ** or send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq