Hi Jackie, The problem though is Jim was asking for a replacement for the C5. While the C5 is a relatively smart phone in that you can use Internet with it, the Alto is completely dumb other than texting and calling. So I don't consider it an adequate replacement for the C5. And for goodness sake, don't even try to text fast on the Alto, the results are amazing. All the best Steve -- Computer Room Services 77 Exeter Close Stevenage Hertfordshire SG1 4PW Tel: +44(0)1438-742286 Mob: +44(0)7956-334938 Fax: +44(0)1438-759589 Email: steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Web: http://www.comproom.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Brown Sent: 27 June 2014 12:12 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: More Nokia C5 Woes This debate crops up on list frequently about whether Android is accessible enough, or that Apple is better, etc etc. To be honest, they both have their good and bad points, and so long as you are comfortable with using one or the other or even both, what the heck? I use Apple, Android and Telorion, and they all have value to help me live my life to the best of my ability. If you just can't get on with a touchscreen handset, however, and all you want a mobile for is to make and receive calls, or for texting, then the Alto2 is an alternative. No it wouldn't be my choice, but that's what makes the whole accessibility thing so interesting: we are all different, and therefore have differing needs. I'll shut up now!! (smile). Kind regards, Jackie Brown Twitter: @thebrownsplace Skype: Thejackmate -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt Sent: 27 June 2014 11:59 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: More Nokia C5 Woes Hi, Thus speaks the accessibility expert. <Smile>. Android accessibility questionable? I use it every day in preference to the iPhone though I have both. All the best Steve -- Computer Room Services 77 Exeter Close Stevenage Hertfordshire SG1 4PW Tel: +44(0)1438-742286 Mob: +44(0)7956-334938 Fax: +44(0)1438-759589 Email: steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Web: http://www.comproom.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of martin wilsher Sent: 27 June 2014 09:59 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: More Nokia C5 Woes Imho at the moment The problem with drift of the mobile industry is that we have the bespoke phones, alto 2, and another that I can't remember the name of sold by Cobolt for those with usable sight. We used to have talks, now defunct, then we get to Android, not easy for older people, I consider android with its somewhat questionable accessability to be the Linux of the mobile world. Then there is apple, the gold standard at the moment. I have deliberately left out Microsoft here, as their commitment to accessibility is questionable imho, especially when they scrap cymbian, then put out a blog asking "what do we do for blind people?~" when they realised they'd also binned a screen reader with the old moble os. Microsoft are said to be getting narrator for windows phone eight, though whether that will be a patch on apple's voiceover, I can't say. Until then, the tie up with mobilespeak seems to be a rather walled garden solution, not a true screen reader at the moment. So basically for the budget user, we have no usable solutions at the minute, other than the bespoke, some call them blindie phones, I call them meeting a need in a very confusing and fast moving market. Imho, Microsoft have acted in a very short sighted and disgusting manner and did immeasurable damage to their credibility with the move away from cymbian, without implementing a full access solution for the new windows eight phone before retiring the old os.-Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Brown Sent: 27 June 2014 08:49 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: More Nokia C5 Woes Hi Ibrahim I agree, absolutely, but Jim said he has limited funds, and unless he goes to the second-hand market, I could only think of the Alto2 as a quick solution. Kind regards, Jackie Brown Twitter: @thebrownsplace Skype: Thejackmate -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ibrahim Gucukoglu Sent: 26 June 2014 19:21 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: More Nokia C5 Woes Hi Jackie. Surely the Alto 2 is a very basic phone which has very limited features. You couldn't compare the two devices if you tried, and Jim would be losing a lot of functionality by moving to such a cheap dumb phone. All the best, Ibrahim. -----Original Message----- From: Jackie Brown Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 4:43 PM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: More Nokia C5 Woes Hi Jim With limited funds, and in keeping with the type of phone you already have, perhaps the nearest would be the Alto2 from RNIB? I suggest this because it is unlocked, and will enable you to simply swap over your Sim card. It also has a tactile keypad, and you wouldn't need to purchase a Talks upgrade because speech is built into the Alto2. I hope this helps give you some food for thought. Kind regards, Jackie Brown Twitter: @thebrownsplace Skype: Thejackmate -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Williams Sent: 26 June 2014 14:51 To: BCAB Discussion List Cc: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] More Nokia C5 Woes Hi Lists, Apologies for cross posting but I need as much advice as possible. I thought the battery had died on my C5 but tests prove this not to be the case. I have been informed that is probably a display malfunction or even a motherboard issue. The display will cost £25-£30 alone to rectify, with possibly a similar amount for the motherboard replacement. Rather than spend such an amount on repairs I was wondering if anyone can point me to a replacement of some kind. Funds are limited at the moment so I will need to consider very carefully what are my options. Thanks in advance for any ideas. 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