Ian, that's quite right. The fundamental point is that providers of services have obligations under the DDA to anticipate the needs of disabled service users. It's no good saying "OH, I hadn't thought about that" if the need is something which the provider ought reasonably to have anticipated. Best, Richard Godfrey-McKay Tel: (01738) 445 880 Mobile: (07791) 452 593 Please read this special message My partner, Cindy, is losing weight and at the same time, raising money for RNIB. Please go to <http://www.justgiving.com/slimmercindy> www.justgiving.com/slimmercindy to make a generous donation to RNIB and keep her healthy and motivated to lose even more weight.42Lb to date! Thanks for reading this message. Richard _____ From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Iain Lackie Sent: 28 July 2008 22:34 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: MORE ON BBC IPLAYER I had always thought that "audio description" was to do with describing television programmes. As far as I am concerned, this is not the main problem with the Iplayer. What we want is access to the volume controls and the ability to jump back and forward within a programme. Having said that, the sound quality on the new player is considerably better than the old and I haven't found any problems in finding the programmes I want to hear. Iain ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Godfrey-McKay <mailto:richard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 8:32 PM Subject: [access-uk] MORE ON BBC IPLAYER Hi, In case it's of interest, here's the dreadful reply I got from the beeb, followed by my reply - which, on rereading, should have been stronger: "Dear Richard Thank you for contacting BBC iPlayer support team. I understand you want audio description on BBC iPlayer for screen reader users. We have received similar reports from other users and I can confirm that our development team are working hard to resolve the issue. You may wish to check the BBC iPlayer messageboard for the latest updates regarding this issue. <outbind://1/www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbiplayer> www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbiplayer For future reference you may wish to know that you can contact the BBC iPlayer support team via the following web form: <https://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/templates/bbciplayer/emailForms/emai lPage> https://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/templates/bbciplayer/emailForms/email Page Once again thank you for contacting BBC iPlayer. If you have any further enquires please do not hesitate to contact our team. Regards Usha BBC iPlayer Dear Usha, Thank you for your reply to my complaint. I'm afraid that you haven't really resolved matters to my satisfaction. I mentioned that I felt that this may well constitute a breach of the provisions of the Disability Discrimination Act, as the service being provided is no longer accessible to screenreader users. I'd be grateful if you would please deal with that point, and let me know by when it is intended that the iPlayer will be accessible. Why were the needs of screenreader users not incorporated into the new player before it was released? Is there a formal complaints procedure which I can follow to have the matter investigated thoroughly? With many thanks, Richard Godfrey-McKay Richard Godfrey-McKay Tel: (01738) 445 880 Mobile: (07791) 452 593 Please read this special message My partner, Cindy, is losing weight and at the same time, raising money for RNIB. Please go to <http://www.justgiving.com/slimmercindy> www.justgiving.com/slimmercindy to make a generous donation to RNIB and keep her healthy and motivated to lose even more weight.42Lb to date! Thanks for reading this message. Richard __________ NOD32 3303 (20080728) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com