I have to say first that I can sympathise with Saqib, that a sense of proportion is always useful. Perhaps keep 'outrage' for the genuinely outrageous, like the arrest, detention, torture and generalised persecution of blind political activists in China or the necessity for Blind and other Disabled People to beg in order to survive in many majority world countries! Nonetheless, I too can see Scott's point. TV is a comparatively recent invention. AD is there to remove the barriers that we as Blind Disabled People experience when accessing it. It is perfectly acceptable to expect it to be there . It is not something in the 21st century for which we should feel grateful or thankful, any more than we should for the removal of any other barrier which, if left in place, Leeds to our segregation or exclusion. Saqib I agree that 'outraged' is perhaps a tad O.T.T, but then I have no idea what 'Lost' is and therefore don't feel that strongly about it on a personal level. If I did and was trying to follow it, I might feel more angry that the AD which aught to have been part of the broadcast was omitted. Our expectations of equal treatment as Blind People, including the provision of AD, should not be tempered by gratitude or any sense of diffidence. We strive to be equal citizens with the right to be included and treated equally, in the society in which we live. Where it is typical for people to be able to access such facilities as colour TV, why should Blind People have to tolerate any less than equivalent reliable treatment than those with sight. Best wishes, Mike Higgins, Email: m.j.higgins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq